deloitte was caught up in the press associated with it. >> was deloitte, then, serving as an ngo, is that what you would say, or just a contract? >> in this case they were a contractor. >> okay. >> to the best of my knowledge i don't think they worked as an ngo. >> so, it was a profit-making contract. >> they were in this one, yes. we've since then based on the ig report issued guidance to all of our contractors that if they detect any indication of fraud, waste or abuse they have a responsibility to report it. and that's across the board in our contracts now. >> in your testimony you're talking about with pride how you've tried to go directly through the afghan government when possible. to achieve the social goals and the development goals that you've set out for yourself. now, in the afghan government, there are people who have committed crimes. they have been shown to have been involved with, you know, there's the fellas who we just let go all of these taliban prisoners, et cetera, et cetera. do you have a list, a blacklist, of people that you will not give our money to? >> we do,

consulting with centrist headquarters, north american headquarters here, other businesses here, deloitteely diverse so we're not tied to a sector. >> you, as well as anybody in the united states, understand how governments work. we are facing -- >> or not. >> or not. >> how dysfunctional governments can be, and we are facing a fiscal cliff coming up at the end of the year. how do you see this playing out. >> well, i think, karen, the way i look at it is elections have meaning and they have purpose. in -- in 1995, the republicans shut the government down. we got it -- obviously under president clinton we got it open again. we had a battle in 1996 about the role of government, who was right. president clinton won. nine months later he had a balanced budget agreement that doubled the size of our national parks, created the children's health insurance program for children with no health care whose parents worked full time. we created the hope scholarship, the lifetime learning tax credits to send middle class children to college and make it economically feasible for families and also cut oth

deloitte was one. one on the doctors website. this is the way doctors are feeling younger and older. again the law is backloaded, not frontloaded. let me explain what i mean by that. it is in favor of expanding coverage for people but it is not looking what doctors want. doctors are pulling the cart that carries health care. we're not making enough money. that may sound selfish. if you want somebody to be happy you pay them more. instead insurance is paying them less. that happened with government intervention. megyn: let you finish the point. a lot of doctors pay for four years of college and four years of medical school the they have to go through residency, fellowship, internship. you could be more than 10 years of training and a lot of doctors start at $100,000 a year. that is nice salary but not what you have 200 plus grand in loans and 10 years of earning $30,000 under your belt because you get paid nothing when you're resident. >> great point, megyn. and when you're faced with increasing liabilities, increasing malpractice