you stated that the aclu showed that agencies conducting surveillance have improperly coned or dem nated. you can talk about the kind of information that they obtained? >> thank you for the question. the aclu filed the litigation to find out how it was implemented and all the records we made available, but the records show among other things that the government has repeatedly violated minimization and targeting rules. at least some of the violations resulted in the collection of americans communications. there have been violations of the targeting restriction against directioning surveillance. in some cases, americans have been targeted inappropriately and unlawfully. there was also at least one occasion in which the fisa court got so frustrated with the executives's repeated violations, the court ordered them to provide reports every 90 days to explain issues. on the one hand, that's a sign that they sometimes do have the authority to do what they wanted it to do. it raises real concerns about t whether we can trust them to release the limitations. we have at least some information to w