something that's in the general demain.elf the fact of smearing an ambassador or acting in this unprofessional and maybe hateful way, that would not be impeachable. >> today we know mark sandy of the office of management and budget is testifying behind closed doors today on a rare saturday of testimony. his testimony might be in the category of the whole follow the money, right? if an explanation and perhaps even a directive as to whose idea was it to withhold this military aid to ukraine and why? how do democrats need to be directing their questioning to him today in order to get to the answers that are with clarity? >> i would hope both democrats and republicans would be focusing on the question whether the president used taxpayer money to try to get ukrainian government to criminally investigate an american politician or his family. if that's what happened, we're in a very grave area, one that we really haven't seen before. or whether instead this was not really a presidential campaign or effort, it was a casual hope but