democrats -- junior democrats.e seek nancy pelosi floating term limits for leadership chairmanships. that creates a big backlash in other parts of the caucus. you can see how pelosi is struggling. to tame slowly managing her folks. i do not seek we -- do not think we will see a house freedom caucus. that is not have democrats seem to work for good or ill. -- ink they are trying think the freedom caucus members were often just willing -- willing to vote against everything. the democrats want to keep the government-funded. i think we are definitely going to see, and that is going to be one of the big storylines, is how does this fractured caucus move forward, and can they come together on legislation on deadlines like funding the government? that will be interesting to see. kathryn pointed out a good tension between incoming progressives who have staked their claim on taking down nancy pelosi or trying to institutes real reform and change. we have seen the democratic leader able to do a little bit of that in the run-

democrats generally do not. we have seen -- that is why you have seen chairman on the house republican side cycle through quickly. you have seen people cycle through pretty quickly, and that is actually why a lot of is whycans -- that several republicans retired, because they were term limited out of their chairman positions, and if you do not have aspirations for leadership or anything higher than that, there is nothing you can do beyond having chairmanship of a powerful committee, which is why he i think you are -- why i think you are having a discussion about term limits bubble up among the house democratic caucus. and i think the reason that nancy pelosiink has to open the entertain that despite the backlash from the congressional black caucus, because she is still struggling to make sure to lockdown the votes she needs to become speaker again. so whether all that comes to fruition, i think we will have to see. obviously, people who have felt that they have, you know, paid their dues and on the time -- done

the democratic party don't know the democratic party. there's a lot of tension in the democratic party, like the republican party, because we have two major parties that represent the vast majority of the country, but we also have two minor parties that are infiltrating. the libertarians on the right , and on the left we have many of our socialist and green party types that get involved in the democratic party. that's part of our platform but can you get that through congress? i don't know. i don't know if he will allow that to be the first piece of legislation, but i know democrats want to look at lowering costs and making sure people with pre-existing conditions are protected. beyond that, i don't know what they can get through a democratic congress, let alone a republican senate. gerald: so when we were talking earlier, you said in reference to the suburban women that you are worried about republicans losing, i said what do they need to do? and you said, they need to talk to them about things like health care costs. from a republican

do the democrats realize most of the people not getting paid are democrats? this coming two days after trump said that federal workers support his stand on the shut down. >> many of those workers have said to me and communicated stay out until you get the funding for the wall. these federal workers want the wall. the only one that doesn't want the wall are the democrats. >> it was twitter where the battle over the wall largely played out today. though today mark warner responding to the president, "this is outrageous. federal employees don't go to work wearing red or blue jerseys. they're public servants and the president is treating them like poker chins at one of his failed casinos." amy klobuchar adding these workers bork for the fbi and they signed up to protect us and work for america regardless of party. later in the day, the president firing off a pair of tweets accusing democrats of obstruction on what he calls an the needed wall. underscoring just how far apart both parties remain on this standoff, illinois's dick durbin wrote, no end in sight to the

in a statement, house democratic leader nancy pelosi's office said "democrats are united against the president's immoral, ineffective and expensive wall. the wall that he specifically promised mexico would pay for." this comes as homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen visits the southern border with mexico amid controversy over the deaths of two migrant children in u.s. custody over the last month. for more i'm joined by annie carney, the white house reporter for "the new york times." ben rhodes is a former deputy national security advisor to president obama. and david frum is a former speechwriter for president george w. bush and a senior editor at "the atlantic." thanks for joining us. annie, let me start with you just on the basics. that threat from trump today via twitter to close down the southern border, his chief of staff there, new chief of staff mick mulvaney saying, hey, this is serious. what is your sense, what is your reporting? twitter bluster or is there a potential plan that could be implemented here that would actually close that border? >> for now my reporting

democrats with r pl s were play lot. there were a lot of states where trump won by a large margin that democrats were defending and they lost several of the seetat. in 2020, alabama, doug jones is looking to be re-elected. that's going to be hard for him. they have opportunities but not easy ones. susan collins in maine. maine is a relatively blue state. she's a formidable figure there. corey gardner in colorado which hillary clinton won. so i think to some extent schumer is going to create wedge issues and make it hard for republican senators in some of these swing states to, you know, they're being squeezed between maybe trump and their own voters. i think schumer is, he's very attuned to where his caucus is. he likes to say he's always the center of the senate democratic conference. you know, there's bernie on the left and joe manchin on the right and he always kind of finds a way to be in the center. so i think he'll do a good job probably of trying to make sure that whether it's kamala harris or gillibrand, warren,

democrats have rejected it. >> and tps reform. >> democrats have rejected it. white house rejected it. what makes you think it's going to fly now? >> the bottom line is everything i just outlined has been offered by each party before. you know, president trump is not going to walk away from this fight without border security funding, money for the wall for lack of a better way of saying it. democrats have a chance here to work with me and others, including the president, to bring legal status to people who have very uncertain lives. i'm not asking anybody to do something new. i'm asking people to sit down and rearrange the deal that was offered before. >> you probably hear this from democrats and republicans. if i'm hearing it, you're hearing it. they don't trust -- they don't want to go into a potential deal like you just described because they're not convinced that the president will pull the rug out from under them just like he did on december 19th when you and your fellow democrats and republicans approved a funding bill that he later said he would veto. ev

where the democratic base is. that's not where the energy is. another trade deal. even if it is viewed as being better than the current nafta. in terms of areas where i see a little bit of potential for bipartisan cooperation. one that ralot of people have mentioned is some type of privacy legislation. something that is not particularly viewed as super partisan. i'd really keep my eye on that. i think there's going to be some movement there. every month or so there's some database breach or what have you. it's something -- unless you're really an expert in privacy and cybersecurity, we sort of put them all together in our minds,ing which is not completely accurate. i think there's a lot of detail work that needs to be done. that's something where i could see lawmakers wanting to tout, look, we can get together and work on something that affects people's lives. data security, privacy legislation, i think that's an area. i think prescription drugs is another one where there's going to be a lot of discussion. you kno

he is a democrat now.nly, he sounded like a probable candidate in an interview with chuck todd that's going to air on "meet the press" this weekend. the two were discussing climate change. let's watch. >> look, chuck, the presidency is not an entry-level job, okay? we have some real problems. if you don't come in with some real concrete answers, i think the public is tired of listening to the same platitudes that they get -- we're in favor of god, mother and apple pie, and trust me, i'll have a plan when i get there. no, you have to have a plan. >> now, if bloomberg decides to run, cnbc is reporting that he is prepared to spend at least $100 million of his own money. fund-raising may not be an issue for him. voters are not signaling excitement for a bloomberg candidacy. this new suffolk university/usa today poll we talked about, bloomberg under water with democratic and independent voters on the subject of a potential candidacy, more saying they don't think he should run than saying they're excited about t

there are 34 democrats that would like to be the democratic nominee for president. so i think 2020 is a long way away. i'm not sure this will necessarily be the issue, but clearly right now it is an issue. >> speaking of it being an issue right now, joel, we know that an colter and rush limbaugh sent these strong messages to the president about not backing down on this wall, not backing down on the funding. and liberal groups are also pushing democrats to take a harder stance. so what kind of pressure is the democratic leadership facing in just a mere few days, joel? >> i would say it is less pressure and more support and wind at their back. listen, democrats have been waiting for an opportunity to be partners in government. now they have a chance to do that. they have no reason to back down here. again, as joe said, and i agree with, the president owns this shutdown. he said he wants to own it. democrats are in a position now where they can help craft a way forward that's balanced and that makes sense. that's completely sensible for nancy pelosi to do that just con

border. 26 democrats voted for the bill including then senator obama and my friends the democratic leader from new york. what about more recently? earlier this year the democratic billion fored $25 physical barriers in his negotiations with the president. as the white much house is reasonably requesting right now. that was earlier this year. republicans in the house and senate believe the house provision for $5 billion in border funding was additional disaster funding was completely reasonable. i was glad to vote to advance that legislation yesterday. my colleagues and i are proud to stand with the american people on this subject for the safety of american families and the health and security of our community. democrats have rejected that reasonable request. they have refused to meet president trump halfway and of the even 1/5 resources for the border they were willing to provide just a few months ago. just a few months ago. is no bright line or principle that separates hundreds of miles of physical -- from new physical barriers in 2018. there is no major philosophical shift that made a $

democrats support security. certainly we are as concerned about keeping american families safe as anyone you about we don't support wasting money on a wall through the desert. i don't see significant change in that. i think there will be opposition from people in the house to any major change in that. >> congressman, you heard jeff bennett talking about the tweet the president just put out. he speaks about the lunch that will be happening with a number of people, he says a very large group. he says concerning border security. he neglected to say the word "wall". that something that democrats could come on board with, with saying we are going to provide this kind of money for border curt but not necessarily to a monolithic looking concrete structure or to the slabs or however the president is envisioning at this point. could that be something that would support a compromise? >> i don't think the language matters. he moved from wall to fence to spleeked slatted fence. we are already putting more resores to border

the president is calling a democrat shutdown, the democrats are calling it the trump shutdown, the chairman of the dnc saying, quote, the trump shutdown is here, american workers, the president should be ashamed he is targeting american workers with his latest temper tantrum right before the holidays but the president thinks this shutdown is worth it in order to keep his campaign promise and border security. >> it is very dangerous out there. drugs are pouring in, human trafficking, so many different problems including gangs like ms 13. we don't want them in the united states, we don't want them in our country. the only thing that is going to stop that is great border security. with a wall, porous led fence or whatever you want to call it but we need a great barrier and if we don't have it is never going to work. >> donald trump is pushing mitch mcconnell to end the partial shutdown by invoking the nuclear option, getting rid of the senate filibuster would let them pass it with a simple majority but mcconnell setting won't do it because it could backfire and end of hurting republicans next

democrats line. go ahead, please. >> caller: yes, good morning, c-span, and good morning to you, mrs. townsend. >> how are you? >> caller: how are you, ma'am? yes. i was just wondering if your father had any mind anybody that he wanted to be his running mate during that campaign. >> i don't think at that point, as you can see what, for instance, when his brother was running for president, they didn't really make up their mind until the last 24 hours as to lyndon johnson would be john kennedy's running mate. so the running mate question often depends on what's going on in the rest of the country and who will be most helpful to win the general election. and he had a very, my father as you know had a very tough fight. because he had gene mccarthy and then hubert humphrey. so he was really focused on winning the primaries. and then he had a couple of months to figure out who would be his running mate. thank you for asking, though. >> frank from corning, new york, good morning. >> caller: good morning. in

democrats can say it's no wall. republicans can say it's wallish, it has fence, things they're looking for. someone will have to budge for it to actually happen. the president has maintained his position and maintained the belief, according to people close to him, this is a winning issue for him politically, this is the time to have this fight. he has basically telegraphed that this fight was coming for months now. now he's in it. how does he get out of it, without having to blink? when you talk to lawmakers and aides on capitol hill from home, via text message, they acknowledge at this moment it's going to take time and it's probably going to take -- we're more in the weeks category than we are days at this point. >> we heard from the president friday on twitter, of course. he tweeted we'll be forced to close the southern border entirely if democrats do not give us the money to change the ridiculous immigration laws that our country is saddled with. hard to believe there was a congress and president who would appro

>> the president is calling it a democrat shutdown, the democrats are calling at the trump shutdownthe chairman of the dnc saying the trump shutdownes is here. the american workers pay the price, the president should be ashamed he is targeting american workers with his latest temper tantrum right before the holidays. the president thinks this shutdown is worth it, both in s order to keep his campaign promise and for border security. >> president trump: it's very dangerous out there, drugs are pouring in, human trafficking, so many different problems including gangs like ms-13 -- wm don't want them in the united states. we don't want them in our country. the only thing that's going to stop that is great border security with a wall or a slat fence or whatever you want to call it. we need a great barrier and if we don't have it it's never going to work. >> president trump has been pushing the majority leader to end this partial shutdown by invoking the nuclear option, getting rid of the filibuster to allow the senate to pass the bill with a simple majorityf bt mcconnell has said he won

earlier this summer, in fact, a number of democrats voted for dhs funding. at a certain committee, ten democrats voted to approve enhanced border security funding. where are they now? the point he's making is that our dhs and cpb, customs and border patrol statistics show that unlike in the past where the vast, vast majority of those coming over the border illegally were single males and coming from mexico, they're coming from the northern triangle countries now. they're coming as families or unaccompanied minors, unaccompanied children. we simply cannot absorb all that. unfortunately and very tragically, it does result in some deaths. now in felipe's case, he and his father came into el paso, one of the busiest ports of entry. they were being held while their claims were being processed. he took ill, was taken to the hospital twice. unfortunately he is now deceased. in the case of jakelin, they were very, very far from a port of entry. 163 people needed to be put on a bus that -- bus ride that -- it is important that -- i went and got a briefing because i'm

> the president is calling it a democrat shutdown, the democrats are calling at the trump shutdown withhairman of the dnc sang the trump shutdown is here. the american workers pay the price, the president should be ashamed he is targeting american workers with his latest temper tantrum right before the holidays. the president thinks this shutdown is worth it, both in order to keep his campaign promise and for border security. >> president trump: it's very dangerous out there, drugs are pouring in, human trafficking, so many different problems including gangs like ms-13 -- we don't want them in the united states. we don't want them in our country. the only thing that's going to stop that is great border security with a wall or a slat fence or whatever you want to call it. we need a great barrier and if we don't have it it's never going to work. >> president trump has been pushing the majority leader to end this partial shutdown by invoking the nuclear option, getting rid of the filibuster to allow the senate to pass the bill with a simple majority but mcconnell has said he won't do it be

gave democrats an offer on the way negotiations go as democrats need to come back with another offer. they say they know where they are and right now it's up to the democrats to come to the table. julie? >> julie: thank you very much. we are joined by our first guest, peter king who sits on the house homeland security committee. thanks for talking for us, good to see you. where do shutdown negotiations stand now? it sounds like there are not any negotiations until january. >> it seems like every thing is at a stalemate, house democrats are in a bit of a bind. i don't think nancy pelosi wants to put any offer on the table until after she is elected speaker so that's holding her back and to be honest with you my position is i strongly support a border wall. i was one of the offers of the bill back in 2006. i was not supporting a government shutdown. the reality is we have the shutdown and i think it's incumbent on both sides to get this resolved. i think the democrats should come back with their own offer, there's room for negotiation. the president is willing to come down on the dollar

this impacted not just the democratic party.t impacted hillary clinton, of course, but it impacted the country. we should have an election that is free of foreign interference and foreign meddling, and, yes, to weaponize e-mails and to corrupt our data system, to try to hijack our election machinery in various states, this should be a crime, and we should not allow it. >> well, and the mechanics of the democratic party functioning. i mean, at the very minimum, it crippled your ability, as you detail, to just do your job on election day and in the weeks leading into the election. >> well, we didn't know if the data was accurate. i mean, how do you know? i mean, margaret hoover is the margaret hoover -- and you're not a democrat -- >> so i wouldn't be in this system, but they might have done that to you. >> no, but you are in our system because we have a database of all registered voters, and yet we communicate with those who have a preference of being a democrat, but when that data is compromised and we cannot connect with you be

about democrats during his trip to iraq. >> democrats don't want to let us have strong borders.nly for one reason! because i want it. he claimed nancy pelosi is the one preventing democrats from making a deal, he said it is because she is worried about potentially losing the house speaker ship. even though she was overwhelmingly nominated for it last month. >> chuck wants to have it done, i really believe it. she is calling the shots. she is calling them because she wants the votes. >> a spokesperson for nancy pelosi responded to the latest statement with a statement of their own, "democrats have offered republicans three options to reopen governments that all include funding for a strong sensible and effective border security, not the president's immoral, and effective at expense of wall." >> bret: thank you. it looks like a ghost town on capitol hill. the house and senate both gaveled and today briefly. as peter doocy reports, the next time either chamber will be in, that is monday. >> senators still struggling with the solution to the shutdown came back from christmas vacatio

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in 2013, every single democrat voted for it. a bunch of republicans led by john mccain voted for it and it was thwarted in the house. we want to create a path to citizen ship for those illegally but we don't think they are the same. >> is there any way you budget all on your number on boarder security on the 1.6? we know you don't want to give them the five. is there any middle ground that you would be willing to inch over to that you think could get 60 votes in the senate? >> president trump should understand there are not the votes for the wall in the house or the senate, he is not going to get the wall in any form. even the house, which majority republican, they don't have the votes for his $5 billion wall plan. in fact, ryan, afraid of what's going to happen sent all the house home until wednesday night, a day and a balf, two daore the shut down and they certainly don't have the they certainly don't have the votes in the senate. now, we democrats, leader pelosi and i fered the president two options as to how to avoid the shu

democrat adam schiff.me back. >> thank you. >> let me start with the interview you gave to the new yorker, the headline was adam schiff's plans to obliterate trump's red line. the reference was to the president saying, if mueller goes into my personal businesses before the campaign, that would be a red line, that's too much. the implication being maybe he'd fire him or something else. what does that headline mean in practice, that you're going to obliterate the red line? >> well obliterate was not my choice of words. >> fair enough. >> what it means is this. what ought to concern us the most from an oversight point of view is, is there any entang entanglement with a foreign power that might influence u.s. policy against our national interests? and what we saw in the michael cohen revelation, some of the michael cohen revelations, that the president while denying dealings with russia his business was actually pursuing a multi, multimillion deal with moscow, seeking the kremlin's help with it. that's comprom

this is a slippery slope for democrats.everyone is focused on donald trump's political peril, there's peril for democrats. shannon: mueller falls short of the case for impeachment, campaign finance violations are rarely prosecuted as, medicine the vast majority resolved by finding a that is a fact. >> a lot of the ones that are find involve packs as opposed to individuals but the general deck is valid. we have to go with evidence, so much emotionality, so much political posturing, hard to know what the evidence is. nondisclosure agreements are not illegal. it may be embarrassing but doesn't make it a campaign finance violation and interesting to see if they are turning the same line as mueller, the approach could be troublesome but you can't judge this case from a michael cohen plea agreement where you accept certain statements of fact and then suddenly that is admissible evidence, a far cry from pursuit for jail. heather: 245 times katherine herridge mentioned, could not remember -- these are substantive things like how th

that's the problem, right, and the white house isn't talking to the democrats and the democrats aren't calling the white house. >> kellyanne conway earlier in the program issued an invitation, said the president is here at the white house, waiting for a call, waiting for democrats to come and visit. i think at this point democrats feel that they have a whole lot less to lose from a prolonged shutdown, than the president does. that calculation may change, to your point, that definitely could change. but the optics of nancy pelosi in hawaii are not something that we've heard a great deal of discussion about. instead, the optics of the california shooting and the optics of two dead guatemalan children are defining the border part. >> it's not fair to say there's been no discussion of border security. president trump tweeted a few times yesterday, literally blaming the democratic party for the deaths of these two children. you can not talk about politicalization -- >> the democrats have been blaming him for the deaths. >whilechildren.>> while childree saying the conditions under his admini

>> this is a party wide problem, and retiring democrats have been pointing out that one the democratsut medicare for all in the whole party moves, they start losing middle america. >> i want to point out that medicare for all is a bernie sanders bill. and kamala harris and cory booker, and elizabeth warren, and they have all sided with this bill. we should be clear right here that it is not medicare for all, it is medicare for none. that bill gets rid of medicare as it is it exists today and gets rid of private insurance. so how are they going to run on something that is literally going to rip up medicare for the elderly. >> you have to win over middle america, and resisting president trump and not trying to figure out how they lost it. >> we are going to bring britt mchenry in here before we lose or. >> she tried to go up against president trump, tried to beat him at his own game. and that is never going to win with democrats, that was embarrassing. especially when you cannot factor out the younger millennials coming up, and i think that there is a stereotype that more are liberal wh

there is excitement in the democratic party and the democratic party is growing.s shrinking and that's what we see. this is not the party of ronald reagan. it's the party of donald trump. looks more like a right wing party from europe than from the united states. >> rick: that's one way to spin it alex, they are post excised about someone we don't even know about. if they are excited about their people it's not anybody we know. >> the question is whether they have embarrassment of riches in terms of candidates or just an embarrassment. they need to decide whether they want to fall in love with someone who is really exciting. i know that many people got very excited about beto in texas, again, didn't actually work out in the end. the real question is whether you fall in love with someone like that who may bring some excitement, but frankly has never been through this process and really isn't proven or whether they fall in like with someone who probably has a better chance to reach out to a broader scope of american voters. someone like a joe biden. the challenge, o

with the social democrats in 1988. he also served as international high representative in bosnia. from across the political spectrum, tributes have been paid to lord ashdown, including from the former prime minister sirjohn major and tony blair. police investigating the drones at gatwick search our house in west sussex following the arrest of a man and woman from crawley. good evening. it has been announced that the former liberal democrat leader lord paddy ashdown has died at the age of 77. he began his career in the military as a royal marine and led the liberal democrats for 11 years in 1988. in november, this year, he revealed he had been diagnosed with ladder cancer. —— bladder cancer. wejoin diagnosed with ladder cancer. —— bladder cancer. we join sir vince cable now. a very sad evening for the party and you yourself personally. talk to us about what sort of figure lord ashdown was. well, he was a very formidable man. it is very sad that we have lost him. he was politically active and really very dynamic and full

paul: democratic caller. caller: thank you. c-span sohaven't for we can voice -- heaven for c-span so we can voice our opinions. democracy is slowly dying in that's contrary. there has been nothing conservative about the republican party but they claim they are. actually get money and emotions of the government? are you familiar with chris and his predictions of the demise of the usa? i think most of us see more good than bad but we need to learn from our mistakes. trump does not seem to think he makes mistakes so he does not learn. john: my understanding is the first piece of legislation the democrats intend to bring is a major reform bill that addresses the issue of campaign finance and ethics. that is my understanding. a prodigiouss been fundraiser, she says you cannot go into battle unarmed. but there are variety of ways of restricting money in politics. that is her piece of legislation. rights, and the voting rights act. get tougher because citizens united -- i saw an interview this week with a retired justice who wrote th

democrats not taking over until january. so in that meeting, you had donald trump repeatedly saying, hey, look, this 5 billion bucks, this border wall, i could get this through the house right now. nancy pelosi repeatedly saying back to him, no, you can't. you don't have the votes. do you have a sense who's right on that? >> tough to say. i think nancy pelosi is probably right. we're in the post-election period here. a lot of people would be skeptical of voting for a border wall, especially when it's not going to get done in the senate. so they were both right in that there is no reason as the president said to waste time doing this in the house because it's not going to get done in the senate. and there is some question whether the votes will be there in the house. but listen, you still have a very healthy house freedom caucus, the kind of conservative right-wing republican caucus led by mark meadows and jim jordan, which has been very powerful in the past. they still have power in this lame duck session of congress. they s

democratic at that point. they were in alliance with liberals machines from the north, union democrats from the north and charlie rangel was in the same party as supremacist of the 1960s. he leaved in sorting that out to find the republicans as a conservative party and defining the democrats essentially as a party of george mcgovern style liberalism that was the goal. goal. >> seeing c-span is here reminds me of a book how gingrich used c-span and congress to kind of nationalize his message. how did he do that? >> january 79 when he comes to congress coincides with television cameras coming for the first time so c-span cable television was just kind of becoming a thing in the late 70s and explodes in the 1980s and so part of this was brian lamb who created c-span got the cable industry as a goodwill gesture to the country to say you know what with your cable package you're going to get this channel where you get to watch your government everyday will stick a camera in the house and you can watch all the procee

we got zero democrats. they didn't come, they didn't even get out of the house or the driveway, let alone beat us somewhere to compromise on that issue. i just feel like, i know this is a partisan statement, it's not going to shock your listeners and your viewers, but but i fel like chuck schumer and the democrats are networking not wh the president on issue of national security here that's a problem for me and that's why i am where i am. >> host: under the headline to bounce off of you. the ap, usda moved to tighten restrictions on food stamps. what is it that the agricultural department is doing and do you support it? >> guest: i supported it 100%. %. and, in fact, the implementation of the tightening of the work requirements in food stamps was in the house republican version of the farm bill. we couldn't get the senate to work with us on that will -- which by the way is 80% of the farm bill and the farm bill is over $800 billion. that's the rising cost, 80% of of that is food stamps. we spent .25% on far

incoming chairman of the democratic policy and litigation committee making him a member the democratic house leadership. also the house judiciary committee. congressman, good to see you. thank you for joining us. first let talk about this wall. you heard of a pass to guess at that this is not about border security for you and your colleagues. this is about stopping the president from having a promise delivered. >> not at all. it's not about border security because democrats support border security. we appropriate in the last two years $1.6 billion for border security. democrats support that. we think it should be done in a smart way. use technology, use sensors, more personnel. use it in a way that the fact there. the opposition to this is not a campaign promise that not a good use of taxpayer money. but secure the borders in a cost effective way using the best technology. maria: why would a barrier be the wrong way? barriers work elsewhere in other countries as well. why would a barrier wall not work? >> maybe some parts of a wall makes sense that some places. fencing some places, dro

that's something democrats rejected. the white house is saying the shutdown could persist into the new year until democrats retake the house in january and they're blaming that on pelosi. the president said that pelosi is the one calling the shots and mulvaney suggested that pelosi could be in danger of losing her bid for the speakership if she accepts a compromise with this administration. take a listen. >> she's unwilling to actually do anything until she gets her speakership. >> this all comes down to mrs. pelosi's speakership. left to his own devices, chuck schumer and the democrats would cut a deal but they're protecting miss pelosi. if she cuts a deal with the president of any sort before january 3rd, she's at risk of losing her speakership. >> nancy is calling the shots, not chuck. chuck wants to have this done, i really believe this. she's calling the shots and she's calling them because she wants the votes. if they do something, she's not going to get the vote and not going to be speaker of the house. that would

esident trum ap,nd tht democrats. ken jacobus and i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. and last year, i earned $36,000 in cash back. which i used to offer health insurance to my employees. what's in your wallet? >>> i understand the desire to sort of point the finger at nancy pelosi and say, this is your fault or this is your shutdown. i think that the ball's in her court, but remember, the president said that this is his shutdown and i'm not clear on what amount of money he needs in order to sign a funding bill. >> outgoing republican congressman ryan costello on the blame game for the government shutdown. he said he thinks it will drag on for at least several more weeks. i want to bring in now a former president for young democrats of america and also joe watkins, former white house aide to president george h.w. bush and republican strategist rick tyler, an msnbc political analyst. all of you, let's jump into this, starting with you, rick. how realist

will be the fight in the democrats is a very point.s ideas that are not going to be accepted by the establishment, nancy pelosi is going to be speaker because she raises money, but arguably there's no leader of the party and so it's going to be an opportunity for the president. he does well with the foil. he clearly is a negotiator. my worry is because he is persuadable we might see things coming out that some conservatives might not like but we have to get certain things covered. the democrats, all end with this, they don't want solutions i argue. they feel they one in 18 because of problems. that's what they feel they're the best at at exploiting problems or i don't see the democrats going out of their way to solve problems. i think they will be obstructionist and that will not bode wellin 2020. >> i'm really interested in the point you made if you like too much cooperation between the president and nancy pelosi in the wrong areas. just give me some examples. >> i think in some ways when it comes to healthcare there's this notion of

will be doing, because house democrats have to do much of the work because most of the democrats in the senate are running for president of the united states. >> can we put that job posting up once again, because this can't be real. this seems like a joke job posting from the house judicial committee. they want people with expertise, in criminal, law, immigration, and constitutional law, and also plumbing -- >> john. >> that's, like everything. that answers the question before the mid-term elections, republicans were asking the questions, what are democrats' plans if they were to take over the house or senate, are they going to legislate or investigating, and clearly they plan to investigate. and i am not saying there's nothing to take a look at, and while that is happening i am fully confidence this president and the administration will do what they have been doing and cast that off as more of a witch hunt, just like mueller, and say that it's part of a left wing conspiracy and convince his base that is the motive behind this. truly, as a republican, i am concerned about that and i

democrats didn't create this crisis. we had a responsible bill that was bipartisan that passed the senate unanimously a week ago, and with respect to the shutdown, have we all collectively developed amnesia? i watched on television as did you, jim, the president of the united states say to chuck schumer and nancy pelosi i will take responsibility for the shutdown, blame it on me, he said. you won't have to take responsibility. now all of a sudden -- >> don't you have to take responsibility to some extent to find a solution? >> well, of course. we think we have a solution which is responsible border security but not some symbolic multi-billion dollar wall that isn't going to work. >> so when chuck schumer says, mr. president, you're not getting your wall, you're never going to get your wall, that's the democratic party position at this point? >> i can't speak for chuck schumer. he does not speak for the democrats in the house of representatives, but i think he -- his sentiment reflects enormous skepticism well deserved on

democrats take the majority in the house. they've made clear they will immediately pass a clean funding bill, send it over to the senate. the baseline remains the same. mitch mcconnell burned once is not willing to move forward on this they don't want to go through an exercise of having something vetoed. until the president decides where these talks will go, everything now is a stalemate on capitol hill. >> we can hear the empty hallways behind you. thank you very much. we appreciate it. >>> to the russia investigation, rudy guiliani is sending mixed messages about how the president will or will not cooperate with mueller in the new year. sarah, rudy guiliani gave two interviews, two different answers during 24-hour period. now, we have seen this happen before from rudy guiliani. but this is interesting. >> yeah. you know, is it a strategy? is it rudy guiliani just being rudy guiliani? he does an interview where he says he submitted these written answers to muller's questions, that's it. over my dead body are we doing anythin

democrats having the house. they will have more leverage to push push on some of these issues that donald trump hasn't delivered on such as daca and other immigration reforms. democrats are hoping to send that message and that's what they will be doing. >> your headline reads with trump weakened democrats prepare for d-day. what are their plans there? >> i think when you look at the ways in which democrats are preparing they will sort of pick up the mantle in terms of ov oversight with this president. you have multiple committees to investigate his family and business and administration, some of these more controversial issues we have seen. i think one of the things is that democrats are ready for it. they are preparing to fight donald trump on a myriad of issues. for him fighting it on the wall might sort of be his last stand before his reality is turned upside down. >> it is outside a border wall, the shutdown. he gave his first interview since announcing his departure. you wrote that kelly painted a dim portr

that means a new democratic majority will have a bill stuffed with democratic priorities and the democratic vote. but there could be a catch. senator dick durbin tweets this "president trump, since this government shutdown continues, hundreds of federal employees remain unpaid during the holidays. but this will end when the president and republicans want it to." he insists negotiations have to happen between chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, and president trump. until that happens, there's not much to see at the capitol. >> not much is happening in washington, as best i can tell. the president needs to sign a bill and schumer needs ten votes until they finished their deliberations but hopefully when schumer decides he agrees we need security on a mexican and u.s. border. >> in about two and a half hours, the house and senate will gavel back into session since the first time last friday when they decided to give themselves a break even though they still had several hours left to try to avoid a partial government shutdown. >> julie: "giving themselves a break." yeah, tell that to the thousands of

the senate democrat and house democratic leaders this week. just to gauge where they are on this, whether there is a compromise that can be struck and whether he can go out and say this is more the obstructionism that we have seen from democrats. it is worth noting that this president and democrats have worked together on a number of things including the sentencing reform bill that could come up before the end of the year. they passed major bipartisan opioid legislation earlier this year. there are, you know, despite the differences, a handful of things , legislatively, that they have done together. host: it does not help the chuck schumer was on the floor talking about the figure in question, but what it looks like politically. >> we are for strong border security. the bill we originally put together in 2013 had $40 billion. we are for strong border security. we made numerous proposals. number two, the $1.6 billion for border security negotiated by democrats and republicans is our position. we believe that is the right way to go. shutdown,the

at what point are house democrats obligated? nobody says that means you vote for impeachment but are they obligated to start one? >> i'll give you my view. we should make sure that mr. mueller is unimpeded, that he finishes his investigation and we should make sure that that report is public and then make a decision on the totality. as you know, impeachment has a lot of different ramifications. we certainly think no president is above the law, but i think it's wise to wait for the report, more and more people are believing in mueller. fewer and fewer people as your survey showed believe the president. let's get the report and let's read it. let it go public and then let us decide. >> is it an asset or liability to have the first name of senator if you run for president in 2020? >> we have a lot of senators running and od sators running. t democrats will be guided who can best beat trump because he's such a danger to the nation, to the middle class, to the working close people of america. i think at the end of the day, there will

the president is saying i will at least meet with senate democrats and house democrats to see if we can get an agreement. the president is trying to get an agreement to solve the problem. i think what you are saying now and on today it was on display in the white house, a washington democrats want open borders more than they want -- >> laura: they don't want to give him a win. isn't that a big part of this? he could have solved this last january and february during the other many shutdown when the president said give me chain migration cuts, the visa lottery. >> chuck schumer initially agreed to all those things and then the radical left is the one who went and blew the whole deal up. >> laura: the president also said something about the wall and its current state that made me curious. let's watch. >> a lot of wall has been billed. we don't talk about that. but we might as well start because it's being built right now, big sections of wall. we will continue that. >> laura: i must have missed the wall being built. what wall? where's being built? >> i think what he means is they are upgra