, if they are focused on more conservative democratic races and if establishment democrats had any parto play in the general losses suffered there? thank you. >> that is a great question about what makes a candidate electable. traditionally in the swing states, it is more conservative democrats or people more friendly more friendly the party has looked to nominate in these places. in new york and florida there might the more opportunity for progressive candidates especially in new york. that does not mean more progressive. but progressive democrats tend to do better up in those races then say florida which is a little bit more swing-y, if not meaning republican. what i'm interested in watching and is next election, state and local races but at the congressional level as well, is how these progressive democrats, even the ones in elected office right now, i think we have seen perspective than members of the progressive squad over comments over israel and the war in the middle east right now, it might be challenged a little bit from more centrist democrats. i will be interested to see if t

it is not gonna try to navigate the last couple years of his term, with a democratic at a fully, democratic legislator. by the way, the youngkin big night tonight, might be a surprise late entry into the presidential. there's a lot of reason to doubt that began with, valid deadlines have passed a no, i think this can officially put that talk to rest. it is not get what he want tonight, but we're back with more right after this. re right after this. >>> good evening, once again. i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here at 30 rockefeller center. it is election night in america, and we've got the latest results from some key races we've been watching all night long, so let's go straight to the man of the hour, steve kornacki at the big board. steve, there is nothing better than seeing you on election night. give us an update. >> yes. a lot still going on. and let's start in mississippi. and the governor's race in mississippi. 2 now two-thirds of the vote in. republican incumbent tate reeves leading brandon presley by 11 points. two key points i think as you look at these numbers. nu

democrats so that as picking a fight. why would you condition something as important as israel aid on cutting funding for the irs? this is not that. it's not picking a fight with democrats. the two-step idea is not particularly popular but the funding deadlines he's setting up, january 19 and february 2 are only a couple of weeks apart. it's quite possible a lot of democrats support this. host: if you would like to ask a question or make a comment about government funding, give us a call, democrats, (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001s and independence (202) 748-8002. our line for texting is different,202-7488903 there were problems with two gop funding bills this last week. explain what happened. guest: speaker johnson took over for mr. mccarthy and he made a promise to blow forward in passing a dozen republican appropriations bills. he had some initial success there on some of the easier bills. as we've gotten through the week, the problems plaguing mr. mccarthy are now plaguing speaker johnson. it's just that yo

what do democrats think this means after a very good night? >> >> reporter: well, it was a significant victory for democrats. it couldn't come at a better time as there's tremendous anxiety about president biden's bid for reelection. across several states, voters made their voices heard on crucial ballot measures and important races for political office. in ohio, a state which has trended republican in recent elections, voters in the state approved a ballot measure, enshrining the right to abortion in the state constitution, signaling that abortion access is a key issue for voters across party lines. in a statement, president biden applauding the passage of the state's abortion rights measure saying, tonight americans once again voted to protect their fundamental freedoms, and democracy won. ohio voters also approved a second ballot measure, legalizing marijuana, making it the 24th state to do so. in virginia, a setback for the current gop governor glenn youngkin. >> you know what winning means, hold the house and flip the senate. >> reporter:

i'm a democrat and a never trump are.congressman is fitzpatrick who is one of those 18 republicans in a blue district and i voted for him 2018, 2020, 2022 even though the top of those ballots i voted democrat spread and probably will vote for him next year in 2024 even though he voted for johnson. i get it, we needed a speaker but he voted against jordan. plus he is great on constituent services. i think a lot of those 18 republicans in the democratic districts i think a lot of them are going to keep their seats. thank you. guest: this voter is a perfect illustration of why some districts flip their tickets and there aren't very many of them, there are 23 district that have voted for opposite candidates for president and house in 2020 and yet the parochial political culture of bucks county pennsylvania, a place where republicans still have a stronger brand locally then trump has in the county explains why republicans just narrowly have this house majority. republicans are in good shape to defend their seats because brian

democrats demagogue the issue very effectively. >> democrats are trying to scare women into thinking republicans don't want abortion legal under any circumstances. i go back to pennsylvania 2022, the republican candidate for governor if i remember correctly, no exceptions for rape,, the mother's life or loss to a nonincumbent gubernatorial candidate, democratic candidate by a margin that was not seen since the 1940s. i have to believe that is an indication that the women in america, suburban moms, want it probably legal and rare and probably earlier than at the point of viability. >> absolutely. i think that what kayleigh said is so important. the republican position on abortion is shared by 80% of the population. the democrat position, which is abortion up to the point of birth, and in virginia you are talking abortion after birth where you put the baby on a table and keep the baby comfortable while people make decisions. it is crazy. it's nuts. that's the democratic position. that stuff is so wacko crazy. republicans have to learn as kayleigh said, have to learn how to talk about t

he was a two-term democrat president. but the democrats liked him. why?was one of the early marxist intellectual so-called intellectuals talk about perfecting society. but for the sloppiness of the vote in the sloppiness of the republicanism in the sloppiness of what goes on he felt that the judiciary was where we could change america forever. he despised the declaration of independence. he wrote about it and why do they despise the declaration of independence, the marxist replaced their own ideology with that of the lord. and that's why they attacked the family. because the family has a whole construct that interrupts with ideology. the faith has a whole social construct that interrupts with her ideology. the constitution is set up to protect us from this party. the democrat party even though people don't realize it. i find it really hilarious and repulsive at the same time that you have democrats today that condemn american history but they don't condemn their own party. >> not only do they not condemn their own parties are some of the ways we can go on

he is not a democrat.e is a party of a democrat, and he has had values. -- and he has democrat values, but he is representing the people of kentucky. that is why i believe he got elected again. he is just a good public servant. host: that was eric and kentucky. this is john in virginia, republican. what is your read on what happened last night in the common law? caller: uh, i would say that people love their voices. it is a sad day for me as a republican, but it is also sad day for me because i am a christian. as a christian, i believe jesus is the son of god, he died on the cross to pay our sins back. the bible tells us that that is the only way that we get in heaven. i am sad, not only because of the unborn, but i am sad for all the people who may not make it into heaven. because it is hard for me to believe that you can believe in jesus and abortion. so, i mean, that is all i have got to say. host: that is johnin virginia. in delaware, margie, my free democrats. caller: good morning -- line for democrat

kentucky's governor elect, democrat andy beshear.ere he is. >> this was our victory. it was a victory that sets a loud clear message, a message that candidates should run for something, and not against someone. >> he did not just run for something, he ran away from the u.s. president and -- all attempts to be seen with him by campaigning him, he refused any approach by the white house to be seen with joe biden during this campaign. i guess in a conservative state like kentucky, that is a good move, but that is something which is happening nationwide with joe biden, and democrats. so why is that? and how worried should joe biden be if that continues? >> you are right, it is not a surprise, and a conservative red state like kentucky, a blue governor would try to run away from the incumbent president. beyond that, and cnn's pulling was very revealing from today, joe biden is in trouble neck in neck against donald trump. so at the very top of the ticket, the democrats have a candidate who is not very popular, running against another cand

it is not gonna try to navigate the last couple years of his term, with a democratic at a fully, democraticegislator. by the way, the youngkin big night tonight, might be a surprise late entry into the presidential. there's a lot of reason to doubt that began with, valid deadlines have passed a no, i think this can officially put that talk to rest. it is not get what he want tonight, but we're back with more right after this. re right after this. >>> good evening, once again. i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here at 30 rockefeller center. it is election night in america, and we've got the latest results from some key races we've been watching all night long, so let's go straight to the man of the hour, steve kornacki at the

for the democrats, excuse me. there are a number of seats that have not yet been called, but the democrats, i talked about the state senate see, where it is a similar story, where the democrats look well positioned, i think, to get up to 50 seats, very possible and to exceed 50 is in the picture for democrats here as well. it's a 50/50, and they have to enter the two parties to a power sharing agreement. again, republicans control the chamber now. if this were to end up 50/50, republicans would lose control. democrats would gain it. they would have to share. again, that would be a defeat for republicans, because they would know from controlling it, then having to share, and on the senate side, there is a very clear path for the democrats to win and retain the outright majority there. in terms of what glenn youngkin and republicans were hoping for in virginia, they are coming close, but they may not be close enough. >> all right, steve, stay close, we want to know every single update as we get more numbers in, but

so listen to what chris murphy, a democrat from connecticut, a liberal democrat said about this approach. >> we cannot have a government shutdown this weekend. certainly not while we are facing these existential crises for our friends in israel and ukraine. i don't like the cr, but i'm hope to what the house is talking about. the priority has to be keeping the government open. >> look, if this is their only choice, the white house may not like this but they have to accept it. >> if it passes the house, then that is the time to have that conversation. but right now, the white house came out guns blazing. they called this a shutdown proposal or an extreme maga shun proposal to be more accurate. and that does send a signal to the had ill -- to the hill. the white house doesn't want a government shutdown but she see this as changing the process. and also, like, who wants more cliffs. who wants more -- let's set our shutdown clock for january and february. so they're looking at chip roy and other sort of hard line republicans saying we don't like it and they're talking to house democrats and

to talk about democratic strategies. it's gonna be a big show tonight. we're gonna do our best following this fabulous symone, it's hard work. great job, symone. >> thank you, raf. >> thank you again, symone. good evening. welcome to politicsnation. tonight's lead, lessons learned. ♪ ♪ ♪ right now, democrats are taking what lessons they can from last week's election. still riding high on big winds. that -- overperform. but the outlook in 2024 from the white house and now the senate is -- with the news that west virginia senator joe manchin, west virginia senator joe manchin is retiring, leaving a deep red state up for grabs. and polling continues to show president biden underperforming with democratic voting blocks. -- get reelected next year. meanwhile, the presidents presumed opponent in 2024, donald trump, is ratcheting up his rhetoric on the campaign trail, calling his rivals vermin, and touting an immigration policy amidst -- deportation, even more extreme than his first term. all this as his fraud trial is set to r

the democratic president to do democratic thing.o knows this. they will talk about it in the press without actually saying the words. why do we have to pressure our own leader? people never ask that question. why does he not want to actually do it? why did he throw paid family leave under the bus? joe biden, are you the worst politician in america? why can you not get something passed at 84%? i will tell the truth to the american people. it is because he does not want it to pass. his donors think it will raise costs for them. even though it is intensely popular with voters and would pass easily, no one in congress will propose it. joe biden will not propose it because he does not care. all they do is the bidding of their donors. host: you have been struck from the ballot in new hampshire as well as nevada. i'm looking at the state public radio. they have your declaration of candidacy that reflects the legal challenge you are making. in nevada, you will not be on the primary ballot there after altering the form. what does it mean for

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and democrats will continue to win. that's exactly what democrats are going to do going into 2024, rosemary, to your question about how we're going to harness this when. the same way that we have up until now. by not making it a democratic issue. by not making it a progressive issue. by making it an american issue focused on personal freedom and personal liberty which, republicans are trying to take away. which republicans as an extremist position are trying to tell women what to do. and, women and men, and families and americans across the board including a good sliver of republicans are standing up to say, no. >> maria cardona, alice stewart, many thanks for joining us. >> thanks so much rosemary. >> and still to come, the latest on the war between israel and hamas as israeli forces in circle and say they head into the largest city in the palestinian territory. back in just a moment. to gaza, now where israeli forces are pressing their military offensive, tightening their grip on the besieged territory and its main ci

if the republicans want to find fault with the democrats, saying that democrats and doing this or are doing that, they need to just erase everything and start all over again fresh and get together on this. from what i heard on the news last night, local news, there are several congressmen that are being targeted by bringing people -- iranian people that are going to kill them, to wipe them off. and i don't really think that needs to happen. >> host: all right, sam. sam did mention israel so let's take a look at what the white house national security adviser jake sullivan said yesterday on abc news this week about the hostages being held there. >> give us the latest on the negotiations or if there are negotiations still underway regarding the hostages. >> well, first of all thanks for having me, john. i have to be careful that what i say publicly on this because it is the course a delicate and sensitive negotiation but the answer is yes, there are ongoing negotiations involving the israelis, the calories and we the united states are actively engaged in this as well because we want to m

the process will be in the hands of both the nassau county democratic party and the queens county democratic party at which point it will be my expectation that they will be some conversations between those two county organizations and stakeholders all across the congressional district and within new york's congressional delegation to chart a path forward so that new york's third congressional district can elect someone who's actually interested in solving problems. interested in putting people over politics, interested in making life better for the people on long island in eastern queens as opposed to embarrassing them in embarrassing the nation. last question. and the fact that we have heard relatively little and any thoughts on that? george santos is a national embarrassment and clearly an embarrassment to new york republicans, an embarrassment to the people who stood by george santos and helped elect him like the house republican conference chair and bragged publicly about the significant amounts of money that was raised by her in new york republicans in order to elect a serial fraudster

democrats said no.ey ran on providing abortion rights and that may have been decisive. >> just one of the many big headlines potentially coming out of tonight. but there's also kentucky, a major governor's race there. what is the big headline out of that state? >> the big headline out of kentucky, let me get to it is that andy beshear won and won big. okay. look at the map here. look at all the blue counties. he overperformed joe biden in kentucky, literally everywhere in every single county in 2020. joe biden won only two counties. this time around, you can see how much more blue there is for andy beshear. and he didn't just overperform joe biden. i think as you noted last hour, abby, he overperformed andy beshear from four years ago. he improved on his margins of victory. i can show you everywhere where beshear overperformed and you can look anywhere. there's a color red or blue here. he did better than he did. four years ago. that is a tremendous improvement. and also, i just want to show you some su

how did the democratic coalition perform in ohio? decisively defeated the forces that want to criminalize abortion care and impose a nationwide ban. that's the extreme maga republican forces on the run in ohio. how did the democratic coalition perform in virginia? notwithstanding the efforts of the republican governor of virginia to take complete control of the legislature. the democrats won decisively, even flipped a chamber in an off-year election. that's unheard of in modern american politics. how did the democratic coalition perform in kentucky? a deep red state. well. the incumbent democratic governor improved upon his margins from four years ago in a state that isn't even close in a presidential cycle. we going on and on in state-wide contests all across the country including in pennsylvania. that's the lesson of this week as it relates to the performance of the democratic coalition. not speculation, not hyper ventilating, actual results for the american people. to me, that's what matters more than anything else. reporter: you

house democrats agree on that path. there are many house republicans who agree on that path, and it's time for action. second row. >> members of the house freedom caucus have just put the speaker on notice, basically saying that they're giving him 10 days to come up with a plan and fiscal responsibility, things like that. your reaction to this if they threaten with another motion to vacate? hakeem jeffries: the house republican civil war rages on. and yesterday it hit a new low, including apparently acts of physical violence. and it's my hope that they will dial down the temperature and join house democrats in putting people over politics and delivering for the american people. the house republican reality show is out of control right now and it is undermining the ability of the congress to solve problems on behalf of hard working american taxpayers. >> we're gonna get this ethics report tomorrow on george santos . he has not been convicted in a court of law. the precedent in the house of representatives was for members

democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. republicans, (2048

in some of these states, the democrats, you'll have to go to a new exam to find a democrat. if trump, if any republican can get 22 percent of the law firm, did you really ever think you would hear that there are 22 percent and you mentioned the single issues we're going to i want to get to steve as well or do. but when you're talking about single issues right there, he just mentioned that there are more probably in the black community in america right now that are supporting the republican candidate. no. supporting trump, but let's make sure that we disagree makes it. there's 2 separate things. is it going to come down and you say that they don't need to run away from those single issues? is this why demographics that normally have been with the democrats are coming out of the republican party because of single issues? yeah, i think i well yes, i mean drive, i could only look at the numbers. uh and see that i think trump got 9 percent or 8 percent of the black vote in 2020 against joe biden. and now he's up in the twenty's. that's going to be very, very bad for the 1st word,

, a fully democratic legislature.gkin had a big night tonight might be a surprise. late into the presidential campaign was a lot of reason to doubt that to begin with. validate lines have passed and all, but i think this can officially put that talk to rest. he does not get what he wanted tonight. we'll have more coverage, right after this. gh after this >> this hour tonight is that kentucky's democratic governor andy beshear has been reelected and ohio voters have voted to guarantee abortion rights in that state since the supreme court overturned roe versus raid last year. voters in seven states, including republican states like

abortion rights in the state constitution kentucky's , democratic governor wins re-election, and democrats in virginia gain control of the general assembly, meaning they have control of both houses of the legislature. we will get the latest. then the house of representatives has voted to censure rashida tlaib, the only palestinian-american member of congress, for criticizing israel's month-long bombardment of gaza. we will hear rashida tlaib in her own words. >> speaking up to save lives no matter faith or ethnicity should not be controversial in this chamber. the cries of the palestinian and israeli children sound no different to me. what i don't understand is why the cries of palestinians sound different to you all. amy: then is israel on the verge of committing genocide in gaza? we will speak to omer bartov, an israeli-american professor of holocaust and genocide studies at brown university and 87-year-old holocaust survivor named marion igram. she has been protesting in washington calling for a ceasefire in gaza. >> i feel great empathy for those who are suffering the same horrors i ex

these victories were for democrats. and even bigger election is set to take place. and it is one that will determine the next president of the united states, governors in 11 states and every single member of the house of representatives. and possibly even control of the united states senate. what can what happened earlier this week tell us about an election that is more than a year away? because the chaos is happening in the house that has any effect? joining me now to discuss is the chairman of the democratic national committee, jaime harrison. welcome to you, mister chairman. it is good to see you. >> good seeing you. >> very good to see you, thank you for being able to make it. obviously there is breaking news today on multiple fronts, what is coming out of the house, a potential government shutdown in six days if, you know, congress can't get it together, particularly house republicans can get their caucus together. juxtapose that with the winds that democrats saw earlier this week in these off year elections. do yo

do democratic things? every democratic voter knows about it. they will talk about it in the press without saying the words. well, how can the democrats pressure joe biden into passing paid family leave? why do we have to pressure our own leader? people never ask that question. why doesn't he want to do it? why did he throw paid family leave under the bus? it's 84%. what is wrong with you joe biden. are you the worst politician in america? why can't you get something passed at 84%. i will tell the truth to the american people. it's because he doesn't want it to pass. his donors think it's going to raise costs for them, so even though it's intensely popular, not just with democratic voters but republican voters and independents, and would pass easily, no one in congress will propose it, and joe biden does not care because they only do the bidding of the donors. >> one more point on the citizenship thing before we go to callers, you have been struck from the ballot in new hampshire and nevada and looking here

wherewith democratic strategist alaina beverly. democrats, (202) 748-8000.dependents, (202) 748-8002. we will go to san diego now. rudy on the independent line. caller: oh, hello. mi here now? host: yes, go ahead, rudy. caller: i just wanted to let you know that biden has done a very good job. he has struggled like everybody has been struggling through all of this coronavirus situation. he has done very well at his job. you know, i know his age. if we had another candidate that thinks like joe biden, that would be great. we really do not need to worry about it, because i saw the debate of the republicans. i do not see not one that is really qualified for the job. they do not have good ideas. they just like trump. so, you guys are doing a good job. we wish biden that he would win again. ok. thank you and god bless you guys. guest: thank you, rudy. i think that it is so important that you raised that he pulled us back from the covid disaster that we were in, where the other candidate was suggesting that we should drink bleach as an opportunity to heal ourselve

he is a party of a democrat and he has democratic values. he is representing the people of the state of kentucky. that is why i believe he got elected again he's a good public servant, thank you. >> eric and kentucky this is jon of virginia republican, what is your read on what happened last night in the commonwealth? three the people sure love it's a sad day for me as a republican it's also bad day for me because i am a christian. as a christian i believe jesus is the son of god. he died on the cross at calvary to pay for our sins. the bible tells us that is the only way we get into heaven. so i am saying not only because of the unborn but i am sad because of all the people who may not make it into heaven. because it is hard for me too believe that you can believe in jesus andnd abortion. that is all i have to say. >> jon and virginia to delaware line for democrats good morning. >> yes, good morning jon. all of these people are really annoying me. i do not know what is going on but it seems to be the evangelicals are the new pope. remember

they always support the most conservative democrat crab, the most corrupt democrat. that's why they hated bernie sanders. so, like, he's honest. boo boo. get of the corrupt guy instead. so, yes, i have to deal with the dnc, but that's hey, that's politics, baby. so we're in the primary. it's my job to do the best i can in the circumstances that i find myself in. so it is what it is. so is joe biden going to come and debate us? of course not. i mean, do you think joe biden could survive a debate with me? there's no way. everybody knows you got to hide him in a basement. if he's out in a debate, he's going to get embarrassed. but if you think he's going to get embarrassed in a primary, why are you running him in the general election where he's going to run up against trump? look, this is really important in there's a mythology that primaries hurt the candidate. not remotely true in 2016. the republicans are the most vicious, aggressive, strong primary any of us have ever seen. and they won in 2020. there was 27 democrats in a contested primary, the type of primary that

the democrats for west virginia has held a powerful spot in the democrat, with democrats having a narrowl stories as the 2024 presidential campaign heats up. let's talk about the stories with my guest in the studio, who served as his communications director. and to the right, nathan gonzales, editor of the website inside elections. starting with jonathan, the former communications director forjoe manchin, were you surprised with the news? i manchin, were you surprised with the news?— manchin, were you surprised with the news? i wasn't, i know he's been _ with the news? i wasn't, i know he's been frustrated _ with the news? i wasn't, i know he's been frustrated with - with the news? i wasn't, i know he's been frustrated with the i he's been frustrated with the political bickering and the partisanship in the senate for years. it's a complaint he's had an something he has tried to fix. since he got to the senate. so i'm not surprised. i was a little surprise he did it today given how close we are to the filing deadline. but when joe manchin makes a decision, he announces it to the world the

it was a good night for democrats.he about ohio's vote to protect abortion rights and democrats taking control of the virginia assembly. are you feeling encouraged by these results, as we get into a presidential election year? >> absolutely. i'm boyd, i'm enthusiastic, and i'm realistic. to that night was a great night. it emphasized of the values that principles democrats have, if you hold to those values, in particular in ohio, where it's institutionalized in the constitution that women have the right to their reproductive rights, but a right to decide what they want to do with our bodies. in a deeply conservative state, a democratic governor won and he won by not running away from reproductive rights. so i think the polling for president biden, for example, is politically skewed one year out. he has not been able to get his surrogates to get himself, if you will, to be able to say what democrats have done for the american people. had it not been for the american rescue act, that we alone, passed the temporary child

by the middle, they were less democratic than other democracies. the other thing i think is important, as i said earlier, it is rare that established political parties that have been competing peacefully turn away from democracy. we have a fair amount of experience in countries in different regions of the world and we could not find very many pieces of mainstream political parties that radically turned away from democracy. there were a few. but there are not a lot of examples. the democratic party in the era of deconstruction is a good example. by today's standards, it was not fully democratic before reconstruction, but before it turned towards violence and open use of fraud in a pretty radical way and so, we thought it was useful to look at why that is the case. our interpretation is that this was a response to a reception of existential threat by the main constituencies. what reconstruction brought was widespread black suffrage, african-americans in a year majority in most southern states. they were combined and not only that, black suffrage mean

further, 7% of republicans call democrats dishonest, 83% of democrats call republicans closed minded. what that says to me is we're at a point in the country where significant majorities of people on both sides don't just disagree with each other. they see the other side as fundamentally bad people whose views from invalid. right? before we get to potential solutions and the initiatives you have, i'm curious how you've seen that -- those conditions manifest in your own state, in your own life as a political leader. what is the trickle down effect of those -- those -- that political culture we're talking about? governor cox: i think we've all seen it. sadly the polarization is increasing. just before that pew data came out, rachel cline feld -- kleinfeld with carnegie, her research around polarization, i encourage everyone to read her research, the focus son what happens when we get so extremely polarized. what we're stheeng ground is, her focus is on political violence and its sig -- and a significant increase in political violence. threats against members of congress over the last si

the democratic party by today's standards was not fully democratic before reconstruction but it turned towards violence and the open use of fraud and other authoritarian measures in a pretty radical way in the 1870 help with -- and so we thought it was useful to look at why that is the case. our interpretation, hardly the only interpretation but ours is this was primarily a response to a perception of existential threat by the main constituencies of the southern democratic party. what reconstruction brought almost immediate widespread black suffrage, african-americans were an outright majority in a small number of states, a near majority in most southern states. combined with white republicans they could easily win elections. but not only that, black suffrage meant a serious challenge to the entire racial order in the south. that, for many southern democrats, was perceived to be an existential threat. it wasn't just differences over tax policy or healthcare, that was perceived to be an existential threat to their way of life. we saw that as fueling the democrat radicalization. the situ

and that means there's no margin for error for democrats. and they're got to win elections in red states in a presidential year like in montana or with sherrod brown in ohio. never mind in all the battleground states where there are a lot of competitive senate races, wolf. it is a steep climb for the democrats to maintain their majority. >> geoff duncan, former lieutenant governor of georgia, does this announcement from manchin essentially guarantee a republican pick next year in west virginia? what do you think? >> well, it certainly looks that way. like david said. i think joe manchin was the one unicorn that could win in a state that donald trump won by 40 points, which is just an amazing number. i think democrats are showing up with a problem that republicans -- we talk a lot about republicans having to figure out a way to win the suburbs. democrats have to figure out a way to win rural states like west virginia. and you know, joe manchin has worked hard. and he's a guy without a party at this point, which probably explains why he's had

for democrats? this was purely about politics, i might say sit on the sidelines, let that republicans continue to make fools of themselves. but both two brittany and alaina's points, at some point and adult has to step up and say, we have got this, we can't let millions of americans suffer because this republicans can get together. so what to actually do in a moment like this? >> ultimately, i think -- during some of these conversations and political debates, we hear a lot of the media about the so-called moderates, and districts biden carried the up and the next election cycle. these are the people that could hold the key here. they can come to the table and, say we are overlooking the extreme nanticoke us detect the interruption of the republican conference. where don being held hostage -- work in a tell you, this is what we're gonna vote for and will work with democrats to achieve. that the problem of, course, is any republican speaker that moves forward and puts a bill on the floor that was nego

, a fully democratic legislature. by the way, if youngkin had a big night tonight might be a surprise. late into the presidential campaign was a lot of reason to doubt that to begin with. validate lines have passed and all, but i think this can officially put that talk to rest. he does not get what he wanted tonight. we'll have more coverage, right after this. gh after this >> this hour tonight is that kentucky's democratic governor andy beshear has been reelected and ohio voters have voted to guarantee abortion rights in that state since the supreme court overturned roe versus raid last year. voters in seven states, including republican states like kansas, kentucky, in montana, voted to protect abortion rights. the vote tonight nullifies the states six-week abortion ban, passed by republicans in the ohio legislature that is currently being challenged in court and joining us now we think is steve kornacki, the national political correspondent for nbc news an msnbc or perhaps not. the control room thought we had steve

if the virginia senate goes democratic, then the president goes democratic next year.we have seen over the past few years. so this bodes extremely well for democrats. a real morale booster and gives us excitement heading into 2024. >> steve: yesterday, i was diner outside of washington, d.c. in manassas. there was a lot of excitement there because they were trying to hold the house and flip the senate. ultimatultimately republicans le house and did not pick up the senate there either. the governor was trying to come up with moderate winning approach for republicans that could be a model across the country. that was, okay. let's make the abortion ban after 15 weeks. that seems reasonable. but ultimately, apparently the people of the commonwealth didn't think so. >> when you're explaining, you're losing in politics. that's what youngkin was trying to do. that's what we saw in ohio as well. they are trying to say oh, well, you know, 15 weeks. this exception. maybe it's not that. it wasn't clear. republicans were really on the defense, on their backs trying to explain what

we saw that is fueling the democrats radicalization. the situation with contemporary republicans is not the same. very different in important ways, but we think there are important lessons and parallels to be taught. >> steve has argued the republican party has turned away from a commitment to liberal democracy. to what degree does that break from the historical pattern you know where populism has had great sympathy among the american electorate but has failed to challenge institutions because it is operated within the 2-party system which has been committed to upholding the institutions rather than threatening them to the degree the party itself has turned away from those values, is that historical pattern change? >> i disagree that the republican party has turned away from democracy. not to say there aren't elements within the republican party who have but i see more internal complexity on this question. during the post january 6th period there have been few profiles in courage among republicans. what i see when i look to the congress