the republican party voted 80% for it and 20% against it and in the senate the democratic party voted 69% for it and 31% against it and the republican party voted 82% in favor and 18% against it. >> yeah. >> so it's so much different than it is today as far as the breakup of the party. >> yeah. >> why was the civil rights bill so important to your documentary? >> well, i think it's one of the most important pieces of legislation of the 20th century. besides that, humphrey thought it was his biggest accomplishment and i have to agree. >> in his life? >> in his career, yeah. he would consider his family his biggest accomplishment but in his career it was. it is very much like the health care bill. it was the same kind of struggle. the same kind of maneuvering had to be done to get it done. and he just -- the republican party at that point had had a fairly good record on civil rights. they weren't -- the real problem was aunt the democratic party but the dixie-crats were the problem and he needed the republicans and derksen to get it passed. it wasn't so much the democratic party was aga

my parents came from haiti and they identified with the democratic party because they were told that'sple do. what's sort of converted me, if you will, after i began working in the inner city as a school counselor and witnessed how a lot of democratic policies purported to help black people to their detriment, that's when i sort of reevaluated my allegiance. >> arm strong, you identify as a conservative but don't identify as a republican. what's the process to make you a black conservative but not a republican? >> there's an inherent problem even in the question you ask. you give the impression the democratic party has since its inception has had all the answers for black people. if that were the case black people would not still be complaining about the problems they complained about 30 years ago, 20 years ago and today. no party has a monopoly on what is best no matter who is in power at the white house black people should be at the table. you should want to be a participant. i'm a republican because my parents are a republican. >> you are ap aren. >> >> third generation. never left

[cheers and applause] >> and yet the democrat party-- [crowd boos] and yet the democrat party has been--ever since the jackson administration--been waging a war against a national bank. the democrats seem to hate banks as the devil is said to hate holy water. >> yes. >> yes, mr. lincoln. >> he realized that he could combine both of his pursuits on the same circuit, and it enabled him to become very well acquainted and respected throughout the whole band of central illinois, from indiana to missouri and iowa. >> illinois was very racist. there's no other way to depict it. it came close to voting to be a slave state. it barred african-americans who were free from coming into the state. so it was a very racist society in which lincoln had to deal. it was the very people he had to appeal to, so many of them, to get elected who held these very strong antiblack views. they didn't want anything to do with blacks, and they didn't want anything to do with slavery either. >> to try to get back in those days and to understand racial relations, it's just hard for us to do that. the best scientists

we've got the effective dismemberment of the national democratic party, which is the public party that has run egypt since sadat times. we've got the promise of a free and fair election so why not declare victory instead of insisting that he has to go for that victory to be? well, the fact is that these protestors are not satisfied and one can see why they would have great suspiciouss, as i outlined over what might happen in the next few months. when suleiman met with abc's christian a.m. pour, he said "look, there's no culture of democracy in this country, there are foreign forces, foreign agendas pushing the use of egyptian into this pro-democratic party. these were not the words of someone who made you feel confident that egypt has really turned the page when it comes to installing democracy. >> rose: the thing that i got from the writing is what you have made clear on just that point. that the reason they are not satisfied, the protestors, with simply having him take some role that does not have the power of the president behind it is that they don't trust the fact that there will

presidency, tensions that developed between liberal democrats and a president who wanted to position himself as a centrist and go beyond the orthodoxy the party had been offering until the 60s. we see the trouble he had maintaining peace with liberal democrats through his relationship with senator ted kennedy, a relationship parenthetically that still bothers president carter has emerged in one of the first conversations following the release of his new white house diary. again carter represented the center of the party, an early version of what president clinton would try to do in the 1990s and he was conscious and deliberate in saying he wanted to avoid traditional left/right divisions on most issues. as soon as he started his presidency carter showed a willingness to challenge key liberal interest groups like organized labor. he brought that maverick outsider mentality into the white house and also preserve energy conservation which many liberal democrats at the time did not like because of the effect on key constituencies. on foreign policy carter refused to be pinned down by cold war orthodoxy and though he sometimes pleased the left on

with the passage of nafta, we did not stand up for the working class and turn our back on the democratic party. we continued to support democratic politicians who spoke in the traditional language of liberalism, but betrayed every single core liberal value. welfare reform, we now face the prospect with this new midterm election of unemployment benefit s for tens of millions of citizens running out or being allowed to run up without being extended which will mean that many of these people will have to attempt to survive on the $143 a month you receive from welfare curtesy of the democratic party. the deregulation of the banking system, the deregulation of the fcc, i just spent the fall teaching at the university of toronto, and they don't have a banking crisis in canada because they did not allow the fire walls between their commercial and up vestment banks -- investment banks which had been protected for us under the 1933 act to be ripped down. we saw the liberal class evolve into court years for the corporate state, and yet they spoke in the traditional language of liberalism and were exposed

, the strongest wing of the democratic party during this period was southern democrats. and these are the ones who tend to elect all those other representatives, southern senators as well. and the southern democracy, it was the most conservative wing of the democratic party. and so, for example, after franklin roosevelt was elected in the 1930s he had to fight back to revolt from within his own party. and really racing forward, if you want to know why the country has become so polarized in a partisan sense and you want to know what bipartisanship is dead and it's not coming back in the foreseeable future, it's not that people are any more mean-spirited than the used to be. it's that the two parties have sifted themselves ideologically. until the 1960s, both parties have both liberals and conservatives. the democratic party at all those southern conservatives. and as result of that the republican party have a whole bunch of northeastern liberals. what happened to? and 1960s, lyndon johnson, the first southern president really, before th

many cases not centrist but sen further to the right so the republican party went this way the democratic party read that way and then holding out comment taxing in the center, he will appeal to many americans and neither the republican party nor the democratic party behind him. neither party establishment lives in the center of american politics. obama's therefore is in a difficult position in. my final thought is in a country when the countries are as far apart as they are, it behooves us for $0.72 rise up to our elected officials we will put you in a room and locked the door and not give you food or water. we might but don't come out until you have a consensus for a plan to bring down the deficit to deal with the problems abroad because it is not rising to the location because our wisdom abroad starts at home. and no less the home front is fixed up to now be able to meet the challenges the country can't face a broad. thank you. [applause] >> if you have questions go to the center aisle. come forward and ask your question. i'd like to know your take on the recent wikileaks release and how it

many americans who reside in the center, but he will have neither the republican party or the democratic party behind him. neither party establishment today who lives in the center of american politics. obama therefore, is in a very difficult position. and so my final thought would be, in a country by the parties are as far apart as they are perhaps it behooves us put citizens to rise up and say to our elected officials we are going to put you in a room, locked the door. we are sure we will give you food and water. we might. we are upset with you, but we don't want you to come out until you have a consensus, a plan to bring down the deficit, deal with social security, deal without problems brought. i think right now the political establishment is not rising to the occasion. as i said, our strength abroad, our wisdom abroad starts at home. unless we get the home front take steps that we are certainly not going to be able to meet the challenges that the country faces abroad. thank you. [applauding] >> thank you. questions. the center aisle. come toward and ask your question. >> yes, i would like

the democratic party that way. and the centrist voters left standing in the middle holding out the cup. obama will attack to the center, he will appeal to many americans who reside in the center, but he will have neither the republican party or the democratic party behind him. neither party establishment today lives in the center of american politics. obama, therefore, is in a very difficult position. and so my final thought would be in a country where the parties are as far apart as they are, perhaps it behooves us, citizens, to rise up and say to our elected officials, we're going to put you in a room, we're going to lock the door, we're not sure we're going to give you food and water, we might because we're upset with you. we don't want you to come out until you have a good -- a consensus, a plan to bring down the deficit, to deal with social security, to deal with our problems abroad. because i think right now the political establishment isn't rising to the occasion. as i said, our strength abroad, our wisdom a

think it's absolutely ridiculous i mean unions are the backbone of america that in fact own a democratic parties and i just think it's one more example of how the republicans are using any opportunity they can to not only work with this administration but really cripple anything that this administration wants to move for is there some truth to what the republicans say you know well they've got billionaires to fund. democrats by and large don't they get unions if you look at the shepard smith on fox news a couple and so you look at the top ten funders of the last political campaign seven or more billionaires or big corporations three were unions three unions course once again records to get rid of unions we're toast well exactly i think it's a really smart move on the republicans part but you never know if you heard but some egyptian protesters over last week actually sent people to the wisconsin protesters and i just think it's an example of how around the world we're seeing a thirst for people fighting for their rights and for their democratic right and will and who polices rush over the first

he does not do that. >> he is a member of the policy committee of the ruling national democratic party. you can keep up to date any time on our website. you will find live commentary there. you will be updated around the clock. the latest headlines for you on "bbc world news." street battles in central cairo. there are still gunshots and fire bombs going off. the white house is treading a fine line between censure and condemnation. the state department has urged its new vice president to hold accountable those responsible for today's violence. for many egyptians this past week, it has been a deeply troubling time. some have ventured out from their homes. he spent the day out from cairo's main square. >> people are fearful. what ever else president mubarak has done, he has brought a measure of stability. >> the people in liberation square, they say that president mubarak should donau straight away. >> we go now. people are fighting together. it is not good for me. >> thank you. thank you. thank you. >> what you have is a sense of a country that is now divided. so far, the pro-democracy

he hoped ozawa would leave the democratic party, but he failed to persuade him to do that. people now have doubts about kan's leadership and do not believe in his promise to bring about clean politics in japan. >> now, with your crystal ball, what do you think will happen to prime minister kan in the coming months? >> the survey suggests that more japanese people want to have a general election rather than wait for him to do a better job. seeing that kan is losing more support or kan is becoming even more unpopular, the opposition parties will be less -- even less motivated to cooperate with him. the survey also suggests that liberal democrats are slightly more favorable to voters than the democrats. the dpj's popularity has gone down to 20.2% while the ldp's is sitting at 21.7%. so the ldp could do better in an election. the reality is if kan fails to pass the budget bills before april he'll have to make a decision either to resign or call a general election. the prospect of a march crisis has increased. >> we'll wait and see what happens, then. nhk world's senior politica

>> these groups have fwichb millions of dollars to the democratic party. provided tons of man power when it comes to elections and not sitting still in the issue of wisconsin. there was a demonstration in sacramento. sending people to wisconsin. they feel they have got to stop this train in wisconsin. it's catching on in other states. ohio, indiana, the fact is that california has a different political makeup and very strong unions, but no question, the unions are under pressure to come up with pension reform and they are going to have to come to the table. >> if they don't do it on themselves it will probably be on the ballot. and, josh, a different kind of union story. unions between same hif sex couples, obama administration coming to the conclusion that the defense of marriage act is unconstitutional. they won't defend it anymore. tell us what that means, especially for folks in california. >> what it doesn't mean is there thaw there will be an instantaneous affect on the prop eight. >> remind us. >> it was a constitutional amendment that defined marri

democrat, hadn't really questioned it. but i became unable to stomach the direction that the party was going. e democratic leadership thought that it was okay to tell representatives like me how to vote. i did not run for office to have the party tell me how to vote. my loyalty is to the people in my district and my state. the speaker accused me of being off message, and in colorado we say off the reservation as well. [laughter] so in 2009 i decided to leave the party and become an independent, and, frankly, joelle was my inspiration. [applause] okay, so after we lost the lawsuit last summer i i ended up running as a write-in candidate for my house seat, and in colorado we have term limits, so i could only serve for one more term, and i was bound and determined to do that. i lost my election by less than 300 votes out of 30,000 ballots that were cast. as a write-in. [applause] and in that process had to sue the state for, it ended up being the third time, again, to get my ballots counted in the first place. so this is the

i think the liberal side of the democratic party would have likened him to redefine. i think that would be naÏve on multiple levels for store. al qaeda has been a war with us since 1998 when they blew up our embassies in africa. they declared war on us. big guns warlike things for us to kind of weekend it is a war. i think would be wrong. on the other hand, acting president george w. bush, he also overestimate the problem. al qaeda is a service problem that it's not more so. i don't think we have the language to explain it exactly because it is a form of warfare but the newest form of warfare in terms of american historical terms is perhaps the war of the pars in the late 18th century. which was a war but it wasn't an interstate war. and it wasn't, you know, going to destroy the republic. >> host: one of the difficulties of naming it, we weren't afraid to say indian wars were as since 9/11 we've essentially been afraid to say islamist wars because of the war on islam in because that sounds like the war on islam which, of course, is the very thing we want to avoid. >>

the democratic party left him. >> keith, frankfurt, kentucky, you are on with r. emmett tyrrell. >> caller: thank you for taking my call, my question is, would you say liberalism of today is not liberalism of john block and the early movement, and, i'd like to hear your comment about the difference between the social conservatism and political conservatism and seems to me many conservatives today are as much social conservatives and use the example of political -- or the... to define marriage between a man and a woman, versus two men, and, also, movements to display religious articles, and how does that really define the conservative movement? >> well, the conservative movement began as a movement of anti-communists, as a movement of free market economists and free market business men, and, as a movement of people who favored traditional values. and there is always a certain tension there and always a degree to which a person might be more free market than traditional values. but, it is all cohered together, and has been 40 to 50 years and will for the years to co

the state of the democratic party is sound. we have a path to get the house back and republicans are helping us along the way. >> has to start fund-raising, are you competing with president obama's reelection campaign? >> the rnc see is also competing with a president election. there are at historic number of senate seats in play. there is no question that the fund-raising piece of that has challenges out of our control. the presidential campaign and many senate seats. but i'm very gratified by the fact in in our first month in december, we broke all records on online fund raising. we raised over $1 million online. in increments of 32, the average donation on line. you know how many $32 checks it takes to make $1 million? our base of voters throughout the country are energize, charged up, and they are contributing. in addition to that, member dues have gone very well. with a very strong performance among our members. we're doing what is necessary in order to work around the fact that we do that high level of competition from a

, a republican democratic party, a republican study committee, and a small republican leadership party. host: you are interested in the possibility of a government shutdown over the budget battles or the deadline. the question is being asked. the standard answer is you cannot play chicken with the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. but it seems as though that might be just what people intend to do. guest: right. you have seen in the last couple days, you saw john boehner come out and say they will not pass a short-term funding bill without spending cuts. there will be cuts in whatever bill, even if it is only for a couple of weeks. jim jordan is somebody who is going to feel stronger on that point. point. the speaker, the republican study committee controls 2/3 of the republican conference. we are heading ever closer to that brink. and i think it's going to be interesting to watch, but honestly do not know how it will shake out, because i think the democrats will probably have to accept some cuts both in the short-term, medium-term, and bigger cuts in the long term, bu

party executives. upper house democratic leader azuma koshiishi said the party should reject any demand from the opposition to summon ozawa for sworn testimony on the case before parliament. prime minister kan said the decision now settles the ozawa issue, which has widened a rift within the dpj. ozawa's supporters have insisted the party should first wait for the outcome of the upcoming trial. kan needs to unite the party to pass the fiscal 2011 budget and related bills in march. >>> a rapidly spreading disease in australia is wiping out the entire population of tasmanian devils. they're one of the most rare animals in the world. but now a new project is under way to save the animal from extinction. >>> now a non-profit organization is restoring the used wheelchairs and sending them to children in developing countries. >> once a month this facility receives children's wheelchairs from the tokyo area. on this day, 55 wheelchairs come in. they had all been customized for children with different disabilities. each chair is unique. seats are now refashioned so that anyone can sit in them comfortably. >> after

i think it marks the return of the democratic party to the south. for us locally if it is a big economic development opportunities for us. it puts us on an international platform, not only as a city but as a state. the economic impact will likely be 150 million up to $200 million a year there's opportunity to expose the world to the great things north carolina has to offer. we think that it will be an opportunity that has ripple effects, many years down the road. in terms of the challenges, a i think that in this kind of economy, obviously, tampa and charlotte both will be working hard to raise the money to do the convention. i think we will do fine there. other than that, i don't see any major challenges. host: our guests are in town right now as part of the u.s. conference of mayors meeting. join the conversation. let's go to the democrat line calling from new jersey. caller: good morning. i would hate to be holding the bag with this economic situation because it trickle- down on you guys. the conversation prior and the discussion about unions, th

let's write in our own candidate and stop the republican democratic party bit. >> coming up later in the program, in our final hour as we reflect on the life of ronald reagan. done is joining us from maryland on the democrat line. caller: good morning. regarding the budget. it's quite curious and puzzling that in the state of the union address, president obama only pointed out one program he was going to cut. that was the community action programs. if i understand it thashgsz the program that helps low income people in the country. there are more poor people right now than ever in america. i don't understand why tax cuts for the rich go so smoothly. and the president cuts for poor people. thank you. >> jacob luie points out that the president makes tough choices. >> on the independent line, how deep should the budget cuts go? caller: pretty deep. i agree with reagan's old budget consider direct or the tax cuts are silly too. he said we have to increase taxes. it is not going to be able to get us where we want to go. leif: give us a call. or join on line at twitter domenici/c-span wj o

democrat. but i became unable to stomach the direction the party was going. the democratic leadership thought that it was ok to tell representatives like me how to vote i did not run for office to help the party stay in office. the speaker accused me of being off message and as we say in colorado off the reservation. in 2009 i decided to leave the party and become an independent. joelle was my inspiration. after we lost the lawsuit, i ended up running as a write-in candidate for my house seat, and in colorado we have term limits, so i could only serve one more term. i lost by-election by less than 300 goats out of 30,000 ballots that were cast. as a right in. by halin colorado, major party candidates are permitted erase double the amount of money that i could raise. if you go to court, you find that all of the election judges must be affiliated with one of the two major parties. election officials themselves will give voter data to major party candidates and they are not obligated to provide that data to an unaffiliated candidates. that is what we are called,

there is a movement it's the leadership will be started it's democratic party if there go that way the big cuts of social security big cuts in medicare the core programs that tens of millions of people in this country depend on everyone expects to get their retirement if president obama orders brace that he virtually will guarantee himself being a one term president like him a nice job on wall street but you will not make him a good or a popular president aren't there are no number out your way this is robert greenwald was talking about this today in response to what's happening in wisconsin he said if you just send one hundred fifty troops home from afghanistan you'll fix wisconsin's entire budget gap. we don't you know the issue is not a shortage of money i mean this is it's not as i say this is what is it where you're spending money no amount of money that's why i'm saying we could we could go create the money and this idea will create inflation is nuts by me the inflation this economy it's utterly crazy so yeah we could get it out of afghanistan we could print it we don't have a sh

>> the key distinction is between the president and the democratic party. senate democrats are not looking good. it is perfectly possible that if this all falls apart that empeople will blame the parties. president obama is in a perfect position to do what he has been doing since december, which is to put himself above the argument and find the compromise. bring the parties together and get the big compromise. he turns out being the savior. chris: you don't want to be the one who is absolutely rigid on this. i think this one is an easy one, but i am not sure after all this talk on cuts. what will be a bigger issue when the voters go to the polls, when president obama runs next fall, what will be bigger, who who will cut government spending or jobs? >> it depends. the spending argument may prevail over jobs. if spending levels off, then jobs come back to the fore. >> american voters vote their pocketbook. if they don't have jobs, they are going to be very angry and look for someone to blame. if things are ok and it looks like the economy is improving, then th

then they complain about illegal immigrants taking away their jobs but they vote for democratic partyhat lets more in so they can get more votes. they then complain about education or the democrats controlled education. they won't even let disadvantaged people in d.c. get vouchers so they could get to a better school. they let the nea control of all. there are so many things that the democratic party directly cause problems and people keep voting for them. i would love to hear one of your democratic callers call and tell us why. it is amazing that this budget, mr. obama will keep spending more and more money probably to create more and more problems so that people say we need the government. the caller from texas was a great guy and had everything just right. it is not the rich that are the problem. you like to see an equitable income structure but government cannot do that. we need to start going after china and making sure they are conducting fair and equitable trade policies without polluting the land and the world. host: from the new york times best-seller list -- you can read mor

health care but it for themselves and took away from their constituents, so the state of the democratic party is sound. the republicans are helping us along the way. >> as you start fund-raising, are you not competing for president obama's reelection campaign? >> we are competing with the presidential election, and we are also competing with a historic number of senate seats, so there is no question of fund raising part of it does have some challenges outside of our control, the presidential campaign and many senate seats. we raised over $1 million online. while we are competing with the presidential campaign and would senate campaigns, our voters throughout the country are energized, charged up, and contributing. our member dues have done very well. we are doing what is necessary to work around the fact that we do have that high level of competition for the presidential race and for the senate races as curator of >> members of congress were giving money to the campaign committee -- and for the senate races very good new >> members of congress were giving away two campaign committees. >> whet

>> i think the d.l.c -- i think when the democratic party has the presidency, i think it's harder for other groups to sustain themselves. and the d.l.c. had a great run. i think that it brought to our country -- >> what happened? >> well, i think what happened was you saw a very successful administration in bill clinton's administration with security, responsibility, opportunity, all of the things that resonate acrosacross the board in our co. and every organization -- nothing lasts forever. i think they had a very good run i think the d.l.c. contributed a lot to this debate. i think the call of your question is what happens to moderate democrats. this is what i see happening, anyway. and you see this in a lot of the newer elected democratic governors. i think the more recently elected democrats, new generation of democrats, if you will, are fundamentally if not ideological, but entrepreneurial and pragmatic in their approach to governments. so i think some of the tug of war in the party's change, which i think was completed in the large degree, jergsally any-- generationally, anyway

. >> if you are on the left of the democratic party and uc president obama making nice with the chamber of commerce, how do you feel? >> people are really on the left are not happy with it, but they understand nothing is going to happen with this relationship with the chamber of commerce will stay with the republican nominees, no question about it all, can do is softened a little bit of the hostility -- all obama can do is softened a little bit of the hostility. >> so what is the point, mark? >> i barely that barack obama is refashioning his image to independent -- apparently that barack obama is refashioning his image to independent voters. recall that business' demand last december was we are uncertain about taxes. he gives them their tax bill. now it is regulation. next year it will be unless you get rid of these child labor laws and the minimum wage law -, we cannot do business in this environment but what do they what? >> charles, what do they want? >> how do i compete with that? "yes, we are in favor of repeal of the child labor laws." mark is right, it is about independence, repo

. >>> charlotte, north carolina will be the host city for the democratic parties national convention in 2012. president obama is seeking reelection that year. considerates say the location of the convention indicates they will been competitive in the south. republicans will hold their convention in tampa, florida. >>> a san francisco retailer will be arraigned today in connection with the fatal shooting of two rival store workers in fisherman's wharf. 56-year-old hong is charged with two counts of murder. it stemmed from an argument over counterfeit merchandise. >>> san jose has a new police chief this morning. the city council unanimously approved chris young. he plans to bring many changes to the city. that includes a community advisory board with critics and friends of the department. >> i know we as a police department have not been as responsive to the community as we should have been. this has resulted in a lack of trust, trust we need to be functional as a police department. >> a huge obstacle facing the police department is a $30 million short fall. he is hopeful that number

koch pioneered the democratic party version of neoliberalism which privileged, which privileged corporate capital but also allowed for government intervention to shape and subsidize private enterprise. but he remained -- [inaudible] about creating new programs for social insurance that might burden future expense budgets. the most stunning examples are, is housing program. but koch also poured hundreds of millions of dollars into tax abatements to sub subsidize construction of office buildings and luxury housing and to keep corporate headquarters from leaving the city. such construction was one of the primary engines of growth left in new york after the long period of deindustrialization and had the side benefit of providing a significant source of minority employment. but determining whether the city ultimately got its money's worth from the tax abatement program is difficult because i few data exist to show whether the incentive actually altered the behavior of developers. koch was both a free-wheeling showman and a hard working policymaker, but his rhetoric and policies did not always

the protesters are not convinced, despite the resignation of the country's ruling national democratic party today, they plan to spend another night in liberation square. ron allen has the latest from cairo for us. >> reporter: liberation square is filled again with thousands of protesters determined to spend the night there, determined not to leave until the regime of hosni mubarak falls. there seems to be no indication that's going to happen, however. the prime minister said today that he sees no reason for the president to step down. the government is involved in some political discussions, however, with members of the opposition. it appears they're trying to come up with a way to ease mubarak to the side, perhaps allow him to keep the title of president but not be involved in the day-to-day operations of the government. there's also been a meeting of so-called wisemen here in cairo figuring to plot things forward, how to put details to the word reform and how to perhaps have free and fair elections here as soon as september. the protesters, however, remained determined to push on. they'r

. >>> and democratic party leaders are getting behind governor brown's plan to stop hiring new state workers. >> we are recognizing that in these times we have to tighten our belts. >> the california republican party has yet to issue a response to brown's plan. yesterday, governor brown issued an executive order in hopes to save 363 million in operational costs for the next fiscal year. the state is facing a $25 billion deficit. there are a few exceptions to the freeze. positions deemed critical to public safety and revenue collection can still be filled . >>> the battle over funding california's adult day health care program is coming to your tv. a coalition of senior groups today launched an ad campaign discussing the program. governor brown's budget would cut it to save more than 175 million. the program gives low income seniors with medical problems a place to go during the day. >>> and a legal effort to ground google's attempt to go into travel before it even takes off. also ahead? >>> ipad seeing big trouble, regarding retailers. the story still ahead. >>> and it seems as if ev

for the democratic party it's obviously the relationship with the health care bill. the health care and stimulus spending. we all know that that's the weak part. but that case has not been made sufficiently, that it's not just, this is bad legislation. it's not that it's not going to work economically. is that it is immoral. it is immoral. you are taking money away from people who aren't in and giving to people who haven't and you are going to create a society of people who have no incentive to do anything with allies or are incapable of making economic choices. who are not self-sufficient, who are whining, week. that's what you're going to do. you are stealing from people and getting it to people who haven't earned it. there's nothing wrong with the impulse to want to take care of the week and a stick and the poor. but you have to of a wealthy productive free market to do it first. morality in the end council more than personalities. and appropriate value system council more than correct economic policy. you can derive and correct. and the key theme of the election

getting benefits because nobody is pushing back all that hard road that is a problem for the democratic party. right now the way it is being framed is a whose side are you on, the public employee union or the taxpayers' side? >> nina? >> so it is the unions' fault that the managers kate? i don't know the details are, but in wisconsin, this is a manufactured crisis, because it governor cannot take yes for an answer. the unions have said we will give you all the cuts in benefits and salaries you want, we just want to preserve the collective bargaining rights, and he says now. >> colby? >> charles is right that this is an important moment. i would not say a bang of is that moment at all -- i would not say a magnificent moments at all. the question is whether this is going to be sustained or not. the governor of wisconsin is clearly out to break with the unions. that is his objective and there could all the states are watching to see what is going to happen. if it happens in wisconsin, it could happen elsewhere. this is a fundamental fight we have on our hands. >> mark? >> let's be very blunt. th

. >> into jack kennedy, a separate person from the democratic party from the liberal party from the johnson party from his dad. his dad was an anti-semite, bad guy in many ways. a loving faering but a bad guy in many ways all totally wrong about world war ii. thought it was a business you could negotiate with a guy like hitler. he never had a sense about the moral horror of hitler. where jack did. if you look about it from the time he was a kid he wrote about-- he understood, he couldn't make that defense of appeasement. you had to understand that there were reasons that in his case,. >> rose: let me go back, he created jfk. he created. >> i think so. >> rose: first. and then he created jfk. you said he created two things. >> he created jack kennedy and then he created the guy who could be president. but i'm working on it. it's in progress. november. i'm working on it very hard. charlie, when you don't see me, and i'm not sleeping, i'm doinging this. >> rose: running around with the president. let me talk about washington today. give me a sense of boehner versus obama. >> i think boehner is