the first statement about there's no room in the democratic party for a pro-life democrat, is wrong. i remind recently in omaha, nebraska there's a race for mayor and bernie sanders went out to omaha and supported the democratic candidate who happens to be pro-life. i mentioned that in virginia, there's a race in the democratic the candidate is a very progressive democrat, pro-life. support,got a lot of bernie sanders is also going out there and supporting him. i also mentioned senator bob casey, a great senator from pennsylvania. the democratic party is a big tent party. you are also wrong about climate change. you show me one scientist who questions or denies the reality of climate change, i do know how you could do that, just look around you. usually one scientist who will deny the reality of climate change was not the payroll of an il company or coal company, will buy you dinner at the palm restaurant washington, d.c. on theenry in michigan outline. guest: can i also -- he says is been going on forever. and there have been variations in the climate change forever. you can look th

when people say what is the democratic party stand for? i want them to think first and foremost of that economic piece. we are the party that fights for the working man and working woman. i think our -- over the years we've taken our union funds for granted. we haven't fought hard to protect collective bargaining. that's a lot of truth what you're saying. we've been strong on cultural issues strong on equality and fighting against discrimination. we can't have that and not also have an economic vision that people who may not support all this cultural pieces can buy into and believe in as well. host: from new york republican line dominick, you're on with our guest krystal ball. caller: good morning. what puzzles me, almost 80,000 americans die of drug overdoze in this country. most of them children. you got the democratic party that want to protect illegal immigrants thatcoming here. nobody is protecting american children. they want to bring a million refugees here from the middle east without vetting them. donald trump wants to put american

their in my view, the democratic party is the legitimate party of the people. ones who have been andting for working people the middle class for decades. we've gone a stray a bit from focus. people are feeling like they're disconnected from the party and there to bew we are a service to them. host: to put it fine point on it. of theas leadership current democratic party, does top?an a change at the changes say in the house, nancy pelosi being head of the democrats there. you need to see not only make more people coming into the process but get more what you're doing? guest: i think that would be helpful. people'st what the house project is about. the effortved with ohio,an from youngstown, challenged nancy pelosi for minority leader. i was involved with helping him with that effort. is involved with the people's house project. there, after president obama was out and lost andlary clinton joe biden was out, we were faced with a democratic party and with ae to be faced democratic party without a clear leader. whether it's fair or not, nancy is really been demoniz

while the liberal mainstream media serve up an endless menu of trump bashing in russia gave the democratic party in the so-called resistance to continue to lose elections or the attempts to destroy trump at all costs destroying the democrats and undermining the credibility of the liberal mainstream media. cross talking why democrats keep losing i'm joined by my guest david polk in new york he is a democratic strategist and former co-chair of the new york state democratic party in washington we have michael flanagan he is president of flanagan consulting and a former congressman and in montgomery we cross to deice he is president of mrs institute are gentlemen cross-talk rules and effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciated david i suppose on this panel you are the democrat so can you answer why democrats keep losing elections i mean we can look at the georgia election and we can look at the other special elections a lot of expectations are a lot of money being spent a lot of kollywood names and they still don't come through i know that you know like in georgia it's a

that guy's the chairman of the democratic party and you're telling me that we can reform this party from the inside out i'm about draft bernie i'm all about bernie has to realize that the democrats are dead all great change in america has always come from third parties right and so what either happens is the democratic party grabs gets absorbed draft bernie or i think the other way bernie absorbs the democratic party that's what's got to happen is by far the most popular politician in the country the democrats still are shunning him they still don't want you to hear his message so how much longer can he sick stick around and try to play ball with these guys i understand that they're very powerful that he doesn't want to be shunned in polite society the way what like what the democrats have done later but it's time to stand up and be and have a spine bernie sanders has led the way he's got the platform he's offering it to the democratic party for three the most popular platform in the country and they don't want nothing to do with it jeremy corbin just proved that the establishment news m

, hillary democrats, third party democrats, we have to be a united democratic party because what is at stake is what's clear on today and on next thursday, 23 million americans will potentially lose their health care. that's why we have to be united and pushing back and calling out the republicans that are not going to stand up for you. >> to be fair, it was bernie sanders who also said the democratic party has to do some soul searching. michael, we have to leave it there but we appreciate your time. we want to go straight to miami beach where former president bill clinton is addressing the annual conference of mayors in miami beach. he's there greeting the crowd. more than 250 mayors from across the country gathered together. the 85th annual meeting of mayors. we've been waiting for him to take the stage for several hours now as he continues to greet the crowd. he's expected to talk about a variety of things, sustainability, livability in cities, but with so much going on, not just the health care debate but the state of the democratic party, the state of all

less so among the southern suburban corporate class and that's always going to be that way the democratic party seems to have a brand problem here's bernie talking about this. i speak as more of the serving independent in american congressional has three the democratic brand is pretty bad i mean i don't i think the truck brand there's also pretty bad as is the republican brand that's why so many people have given up on politics they look at in washington and what the average american it's like i'm going to a lot of pain my kid can afford to go to college make it ten bucks an hour what all you're going to do for me. and bernie says stuff like that and weirdly on some democratic message boards it just gets trashed and it's just what is that causes people within the democratic party to be so. hostile to self reflection and grit and you know criticism of themselves you know it's a fantastic question tom and i think there are two elements to it i think one is among the democratic professional consultant clients it's in their self-interest to squelch this kind of talk so i think they get outrage or f

>> today i'm a big supporter of donald trump and i think the democratic party is a party consumed by ate and any time a democrat opens his mouth or her mouth these days is act of character assassination. i think what they have done with jeff sessions, he was a champion of civil rights, when you think about it for two seconds, at least two seconds, he was the attorney general in the deep south state alabama which is where the civil rights movementt began. he prosecuted the ku kluz klan. he sent a ku kluz klan leader to his death for committing a racial murder, he desegregated schools and he defended three black voters who -- and the democrats call him a racist. i mean, it's unconscionable. >> host: how do you go to campus radical to supporter of donald trump? >> guest: well, that's a long list. i left the left when the black panther party murdered a mother of three whom i had recruited to do the book for school that i had raised the money to buy and when the left was victorious in fight against america's involvement in vietnam and when the left was victorious, the united states withdre

after another disappointing special election loss the democratic party's identity crisis has returned and for apparently a very good reason donald trump is an historically unpopular president so why are democrats still struggling to win elections is it time for a political make over joining me now is richard asco host of the zero richard welcome back always good to be here town always great having you so let's start with the crisis i mean that that race received far more attention frankly maybe than than than it even deserve it i mean there was a similar election as i recall in north carolina nobody heard anything about the fact i lost track of. but in any case it seems like this defeat was born more than just a one off defeat setting aside greg palast skin siddur ations about voter suppression and interstate cross-check and all that even the. even if you would have won by five ten fifteen thousand votes if there had not been the aggressive voter suppression that karen handel had been doing and in georgia had been in a certain state it's still you know what's a republican doing back c

to mention the oppression of blacks from the democratic party endorsed scared to confront democrats. how can you be a member of racist party? >> host: we will hear what our viewers have to say. >> babylon it be on msn b.c.. it is from that ideological left. >> this is the only time with the editorial page editor so i complain and they said this on c-span and it was of a disgrace as ucla modify conservatives and $500 and auriana huffington. so hasn't really changed. as a result. >> host: let's hear from michael from illinois go-ahead. >> caller: i want him to understand there was bill clinton and obama in this made avenue president now they have a reality star the will comment and regress. >> it is devoted to the university but yes. you cannot continue to have a democracy of only one side as 85% of the youth go to public university. that is what allows this to happen. i appeal to any chairman of the appropriations for the president of those universities who sell one to see political and intellectual diversity. brcs sitting on a campus what happens is there is no check. i hate using the

and came into the democratic party and came into the democratic party and came into the hillary you have an analysis of politics, not just you have an analysis of politics, notjust in america but across the world, but across the world, but let's just stick to america for the moment. it seems to me, in a sense, quite old—fashioned. you talk a lot about class... that is old fashion! laughter. if it is old—fashioned to say that the very rich are getting richer while most everybody else is getting poorer, if that's old—fashioned, then old fashioned is absolutely correct. the truth is, not that my ideas are old, but the truth is that politicians all over this world are running away from the basic issue that billionaires increasingly control economies and political systems all over the world. but hang on a minute,... cheering and applause. working—class americans... applause working—class americans in their hundreds and thousands made millions in states like michigan, wisconsin, and the so—called rust belt of america, they voted for a billionaire. and to my mind, the major reason many

you famously quit the democratic party more than ten years ago. n against them, won your connecticut seat as an independent. you infuriated so many in your party by actually backing john mccain for president against barack 0bama in 2008. i have to ask you, did you vote for trump? no, oh, no. i strongly voted for hillary clinton. but you are not a democrat. i'm still a democrat. many democrats regard you as an traitor. unfairly. in 2006, because i stuck with the iraq war longer than others. this is part of the toxic atmosphere. even though my voting record was good on domestic issues. i was challenged in the democratic primary and lost. the old ronald reagan line, not so much i left the democratic party, but the democratic party left me. 0n the other hand i didn't become a republican. that perspective depends on the size of your ego. what i'm saying is the democratic party rejected may rejected my candidacy for the us senate. one of my consultants said, you should run as an independent. i am afraid the iraq war will do you win. i said, what? i am a

i'm not sure who that is in the democratic party. a democratic congressman who challenged nancy pelosi, tim ryan, and a very nice guy, very articulate and sat down and i joked with him. said you're awfully young looking for a leader in democratic party, and he just started laughing, and so i think when you look at the obama years -- >> the amount of seat losses that democrats have sustained who have a hollowing out -- you have old people and then you have not ready people. so to be president i think that nominee is more likely than not to come out of the side of the -- may not be particularly ready but at the right moment, and i think there's people -- we were talking before. a congressman from massachusetts, maremma recent combat veteran, medal of valor, harvard university. good on tv. don't know how he does shaking hands. i think what we learned over the last couple of debates, if you can get up on the stage and you can perform as an athlete, you can do well in the debates and trigger the fundraising, and you're off to the races, an

there is not anybody who's being the establishment democrat to rise up and say they are the voice of the partybiggest gift democrats have had his donald trump because he is unifying them. >> bret: here is tom perez. >> trust isn't something you are given. it's something you have to earn. a lot of folks have lost trust in the party and that's what we are all to do, to make sure we earn the trust through our actions. whether it is the affordable care act repeal efforts, whether it is immigration, fighting for good jobs and good wages. >> it is difficult to be in the minority. you don't have many options other than obstruction i think democrats have done a good job using the limited tools they have. the slate legislature situation is bad and that there is no bench and its hard to develop talent. this was a challenge that tea party had that the republican party had to deal with. i think it's clear that democrats are not managing the ascendancy of this movement. but bernie sanders lost to hillary clinton and yes, part of that might've been corrupt because of what the democratic party was doing to e

party. you see democrats engaged in recriminations with each other about 2016 and about the future. are we seeing a collapse of the party system in this country for the way that were seen the collapse of the party system in france? let's start there if you want. >> i do. i think that for all of us in our political careers we have view politics through a ideological prism and american politics have been divided down the middle of the field with an ideological line that separates right from left and we debate politics between the 45-yard line in this country. if there's any canadians in this room you would debate between the 48-52 and we do it very hyperbolic way. if you were to listen to the campaign rhetoric, apparently the delta between a just and unjust society is the difference between the 39.6% clinton obama tax rate from the 35% push marginal tax rate. i think we started to see in the selection and you see this playing out in europe, you start with the fact that vote and the french presidential and in poland and hungary and the politics are being redefined by a horizontal line.

the democratic party has always been a party of capital and that don't mean -- it's always represented certain business interests, big oil, we now society with george w. bush, democratic coalition from 1930's to the 80's. now, if you have party that represents labor interests and capital at the same time, it means that when times are going well, there's a boom, you could actually say that the pie is growing because of this business-led growth and we are going to make sure that some of the share of the growing pie is going to workers. now, when the pie is at best the same size or if anything is shrinking, the best the democratic can say, you know, we are going to give you more of the pie, more of the pie than the republicans could and also to historically apress and marginalized groups and make sure that the drinking pie is more split up. so, in other words, they can promise social inclusion but they promise without any of the economic gains that went with it. they could offer both. so you can obviously see the way in which not just white workers but whole segments of population, things

there's a trump party, there's a republican party and there's a democratic party which is at its lowest point of political strength nationally since 1920's and so there was never a unified republican party at any moment after the election of trump and it's extraordinary to watch his speech before congress and to see the democrats sitting on their hands when he's talking about clean air and clean water and for the republicans cheering for tariffs and protectionist measures and to the point that dan made, partisanship and the danger of fascism and this notion of that we have become a country of worrying tribes. i don't think our politics are partisan as much anymore as they're tribal because i think they're disconnected from the -- disconnected from ideology and we have an enormous competency gap, right? if you look at -- i think republicans have been dealing republicans have beedealing with this since the advent of the tea party movement since 2010. i think democrats are dealing with it now for the first time and the it is this. like the characters in the jurrasic park movie, through the

if he can protect the democratic party, he protects the union, and the democratic party remains the dominant party, and all is good in the country. it does not work out that way. the argument we make in some of our contributors make is that he distinctly contributes to the write-down of the union -- breakdown of the union by the decisions he makes. what is he interested in doing? shoring up democracy, pursuing constitutionalism he thinks is central to the success of the nation, and he is an expansionist. he is not trying to take the country's mind off of its sectional problems, but he is focused on collecting more territory, cuba particularly. he has this theory that some others at the time like robert john walker offered a version of that. slaveh is if you have states, they will drain slavery out of the upper south and reduce the conflict between north and south because you won't have as clear a division on slavery emma slater expansion question in the west. he picks a fight with stephen douglas. this remains a mystery. douglas had been his major competitor for the democratic nomination in

that if he can protect the democratic party, he protects the union, and the democratic party remains the dominant party, and all is good in the country. of course, again, it does not work out that way. the argument we make in some of -- and some of our contributors make is that he distinctly contributes to the breakdown of the union by the decisions he makes as president. that is not new, but you cannot avoid it. what is he interested in doing? he is interested in shoring up democracy, pursuing constitutionalism he thinks is central to the success of the nation, and he is an expansionist. that is critical. i do not want to say that he is trying to take the country's mind off of its sectional problems, but expansion has been a motive in his political career. so he is focused on collecting more territory, cuba particularly. and he has a theory, and some others at the time like robert john walker offered a version of that theory. which is if you have slave , states in the caribbean for example they will drain slavery , out of the upper south and reduce the conflict between north and sout

party. you now see democrats engaged with each other about 2016 and the future. are we seeing a collapse of the party system in this country that we are seeing a collapse of the party system in france? we start there if you want. >> i do. us in ourr all of political careers, we have viewed politics through an ideological prism. american politics has been divided down the middle of the an ideological line that separates right from left, and we debate politics between the 45 yard lines in this country. if there are any canadians in the room, you would debate between the 48 in the 52. we do it very hyperbolically. if you were to listen to the campaign rhetoric, the delta between a just and unjust society is the difference between the 39.6% clinton obama tax rate and the 35% bush marginal tax rates. i think we started to see, in the selection, and you see this playing out in europe with the brexit vote, the french presidential election in poland and hungary, i think politics are being redefined by a horizontal line. above that line are the people that benefit from glo

we've never seen the democratic party embrace single payer but i think it will be interesting to watch in the wake of the republican debate, if they want to really re-fuel around this particular provision. robert: as the democrats think it through, phil, the president wases in iowa celebrating, defiant as we saw in the clip, win, win, win. he's had a string of success in special elections but what does it tell us about -- what's revealing about the president's confidence at this moment? philip: you've got to put the rally in context. it's the first time he's been out there on the political front, a campaign-style rally since russia heated up, since firing comey and the comey testimony and special council -- counsel and he's had all this energy stewing, pent up in the white house and he let it rip. he didn't talk about russia specifically except for a reference to a witch hunt but he was taking victory lap in that arena and loving it and he loved the adoration of the crowd. that's him in his element. he's not a governing president but a campaigning president and i know the white house o

a democratic party that only talks about him. >> what you are seeing is those motors attend voters beingepulsed by the president and giving us a look on the democratic side. >> do you think it should be in the situation as close to your republican opponent if it was anyone other than donald trump? >> be in ministration performance does not inspire confidence in anyone, i think, the concerns about the integrity and competence of the administration have only grown over time. greg: i think he mowed my lawn. [laughter] it's hard to when we stand for nothing but hating one guy. then you add alyssa milano is telling you how to vote and she doesn't even live there. was the boss, my. the republicans showed us that a strong woman can win when she runs on something other than being a strong woman. she persisted, unlike you know who, hollywood should applaud but instead date was for murder. i say the dems have to go back to the drawing board but the drawing board sucks. the router that is their addiction to identity politics which is attempts to replace a singular identity, american, with 100 morle

>> guest: i'm a big supporter of donald trump and i think the democratic party is a party consumed by hate. every time a democrat opens his or her mouth it is a character assassination. i think what they've done to jeff sessions -- he's one of the most decent human beings in the senate. he was a champion of the civil rights. when you think about it for two seconds, at least two seconds, he was the attorney general himself alabama where the civil rights began. he prosecuted the ku klux klan and led to the death for committing a racial murder and he desegregated the schools and defended three black voters yet the democrats got up and called him a racist. it is just unconscionable. >> host: how do you go from a radical to a supporter of donalt trump? >> guest: wow, i left the left when the black panther party voted a mother of three who i had recruited to do the book for a school that i had raised the money to buy. when the left was victorious in its fight against america's involvement in the non- and when the left was victorious the united states withdrew without protection. they contin

off we young looking for the democratic party. he started laughing. i think when you look at the obama years and the amount of losses democrats have sustained, you have old people and then you have to be president. i think the nominee is more likely than not to come out of the side of the may not be particularly ready, but at the right moment i think we were talking before, except maltin, congressman from massachusetts, multiple tours, harvard university, good on tv. i don't know how he does shaking hands, but what we've learned over the last couple debate if you can get up on that stage and you can perform, and that you can do well in those debates, triggers the fund raising and you are off to the races and none of it traditional entry point, to have a big field organization in iowa or to have all of those endorsements, it is much more a disruptive process than typical machine politics. >> so in lugar, not a taxi cab. i think we have some time for some questions now. all the way in the back. blue. that is you. you are looking around. they are bringing

first of all with regard to nancy pelosi, we have a broken democratic party but one of the few thingst works well is nancy pelosi. her job is to raise money and keep the democrats together in the house and she's been doing that. i don't think she's the problem with the party. i wouldn't put her even on the list. >> what's the problem? >> everything that bacari just talked about is not just about one person. she's actually -- on the books she's actually doing her job well but there are a bunch of other jobs not being done well and i think there's a consultant class of people who are incompetent, tone deaf who make a ton of money, who are in the way and as long as they're there, giving bad ideas and still can't tell you where to go and what to do, that's a much bigger problem and so with regard to your question around the obama years, i think that the party got very happy and very lazy having such an extraordinary figure at the top and did not pay attention to the thousand plus people who lost their positions throughout the country and that is a problem. we have to turn our attention to

. >> if you're a marginalized citizen in anyway, shape or form the democratic party is the partyou and that means economically marginalized as well and i don't care about color, man, woman, black, white, brown, gay, straight, we should be working for all of those groups and their economic interests. the one thing the democrats have is that economic message and senator sanders was very articulate and clear about what we all need to stand for. yes we have to go on these issue of equality and tolerance and fight for people that are marginalized in that regard but what unites all of those groups is an economic message. every one of those people in those groups want to make more in the paycheck they get every two week. they want to pay less for energy bill and less for health care and still have couverage. those issues unite everybody but when we get off on just the social issues. those are important but if we zwrus talk about those and we don't talk about the economic issues, the republicans come in and divide us and then we get what we got in the last presidential election. lower af

a democratic party that only talks about him. >> what you are seeing is those motors attend voters beingepulsed by the president and giving us a look on the democratic side. >> do you think it should be in the situation as close to your republican opponent if it was anyone other than donald trump? >> be in ministration performance does not inspire confidence in anyone, i think, the concerns about the integrity and competence of the administration have only grown over time. greg: i think he mowed my lawn. [laughter] it's hard to when we stand for nothing but hating one guy. then you add alyssa milano is telling you how to vote and she doesn't even live there. was the boss, my. the republicans showed us that a strong woman can win when she runs on something other than being a strong woman. she persisted, unlike you know who, hollywood should applaud but instead date was for murder. i say the dems have to go back to the drawing board but the drawing board sucks. the router that is their addiction to identity politics which is attempts to replace a singular identity, american, with 100 morle

it was not clear if it was inside the democratic party or people talking about wanting to form a partyside. i certainlyestion cannot settle. i am not in a position to settle this. what i do know a social movement are suring. i think we're in a position where we could have really bold people's platforms that emerge from below. there lots of example starting to happen as events come together out of their silos to get clear on what the demands are, what the yes is, and then whoever the politician is, whoever the party is, they have to follow that people's platform. amy: and the media has to be there, too. you had the globe and mail calling the week manifesto national suicide. >> that may have been "the national post." they were calling it madness. they were like, that is insane. it will kill the country. amy: do you see the media changing as more and more people joined the media different ways? >> whatever national newspapers that ran 35 negative articles about the leaked manifesto and refused to publish one letter to the editor trying to correct the record. people kept signing it. the to

i think the democratic party has to recalibrate its image to be seen more as the party of those folks. ofnton won about 500 out 3100 counties in the united states. i think the democrats need to do better. vermont,senator from elizabeth moran for massachusetts, are they able to move to the national stage in 2020, or who is the liberal, democratic spokesperson on the national ticket? guest: it is hard to say. there is quite a long line of them. brownk one paper, jerry has an interesting profile. he is from ohio, naturally a working-class populist kind of figure from what is a important state in presidential politics. 2018 up for reelection in and he will have a tough reelection right. i think if he wins that and emerges from that in strong shape, i think his name will jump up a few notches. has a strongren national profile and then bernie of course does an joe biden is making noise. there are younger people like harris. host: the future of american liberalism is our conversation. we welcome our c-span radio listeners as well as those on the potus channel. michael tomasky. democrats need

this throughout the democratic party. they want to play nice with republicans who are going cutthroat. isis.ompare him with they dogged him completely. i'm not in that district, but i was just watching some of the commercials and the advertisements. the democrats have got to play rough in a rough environment. i am so sick of the nice guy democrats. they are never going to get in control. i don't care how much money they got. two headlines that you're talking about. one from the front page of "the washington post." paul kane with a call them above that, the headline " jon ossoff chose civil resistance and lost. do they need more warriors? wilmington, illinois. go ahead. caller: what a desperate party, to spend that kind of money. this shows you that the democrats are so desperate to win. it's sickening. i will never vote democrat again. and i voted democrat. never again, just from the way they are so outrageously spending money. thank you. illinois. and more of your calls coming in. republicans -- we will get to those call

arm of the democratic party and a lot of people don't like that and they do turn off of course so what i see is we see this growing segregation in the united states and i think the media is driving that to vibe every single night wall to wall coverage on this and a lot of people just getting really turned off by it even people at c.n.n. and apparently go ahead richard. so you know this notion about the clinton use network if you added up the dollar value of the time that c.n.n. gave of wall to wall coverage wall to wall coverage of the trump rallies it was astronomical there was nothing there was nothing that they did about hillary that could come close to that value that they kind of affirmed on the campaign by giving him in an expert gated kind of hour or more with not i would just with this crowd but with the with the american public watching c.n.n. so the notion that somehow or other they're trying to break or they were trying to bring trump down in favor hillary honestly that's kind of a joke a lot about how much time do they have but if you take the same thing richard you just sa

they almost took over the democratic party. this week you almost saw them take over california state senate bypassing single payer. nobody thinks it will see the light of day because of the cost. what's going on? >> that's what the base of the democratic party is about and has always been about. we have been doing single pay since the the '80s. i am not sure we even understood it. i was once the the author and i certainly didn't fully understand it now at the numbers it now has. it is not unusual, phil. there is nothing new about the concept. >> what about the concept of the power play? >> exactly. what we are talking about is a group of bernie crats who are exerting power, getting organized, getting themselves elected, getting themselves enmeshed with democratic structure. >> they were pretty open about it. i have talked to lawmakers in sacramento. they were saying they were getting threats. if you don't vote for single payer, california nurses association which is behind it and other groups will run somebody against you in th

the democratic party.heir insane psychotic rage against the trump presidency, like of rage against the trump candidacy, there is an obsession with that, now they are a party with no platform. and kind of know where to go. at least nancy pelosi knows how to raise money. who else is going to step up? who's going to make phone calls and get the money? they don't know how to spend the money that they got. they are doing it and all the wrong ways. they turned it into a referendum for president trump instead of making it a grass roots. they were making it a nationwide thing in district six instead of getting right there in the front and back yards of the people they were talking to. >> dana: can we get greg in? >> juan: karen handel never mentioned trump at once. >> dana: that's why the republicans were smart. and he stayed away from her as well. i >> juan: you don't hear anyone saying get rid of trump. his numbers are like, 35%. they both are not popular. >> dana: let's get greg in. it's not just one person tha

obama largely converted the democratic party. the democratic party became the obama party. trump captured the republican party. he hasn't converted it yet. he may but he has not yet done that. as the poll shows, as jill mentioned about one in six trump voters say they don't really like him. they may approve of his policies, but they voted for him because they disliked the other candidate more, not because they liked him. there was a lot of negative polarization in the -- in the election and it has benefitted trump ultimately. that group of republicans who don't particularly like trump tend to be more up scale, better educated, the kind of voters that we saw in suburban regions like orange county here in southern california or like the suburbs of atlanta where the special election was held earlier this month where the republicans have been underperforming. so that's one thing to look at, that kind of fraction in the republican party. the other is the kind of thing that we've seen in the -- in the health care debate. the administration has been unable to get an obamacare repe