in 2016, there were only 6,500 members of the democratic socialists of america. 2017, there were 23,700. and by july of 2018, there are 44,000 members of the democratic socialists of america, 216 chapters across the country, and particularly buoyed by young people. >> yeah. >> so, explain in your view what it is about democratic socialism that appeals to millennials and young people. >> well, i think that, for our generation, we kind of view the world through a very different lens. in my life, for example, i was born in 1989, and so, at that point, i was growing up during the clinton era. and, then, basically, when i was in middle school, 9/11 happened. so, when you think about young people, it's important to think about the general timeline, the world that we grew up in. i was about, you know, 17, 18 years old when the financial crisis hit. we never experienced, really, a time of true economic prosperity in the united states, you know? and a lot of what we have witnessed is the unprecedented concentration of wealth at the very top, tippy-top of the 1%, and we've

absolutely all you have to do is go to the democratic socialists of america website and find out what the democratic socialists of america are really all about everything you just alluded to plus guaranteed income whether or not you're working when when you talk about the workers having more rights they want the end of capitalism and workers to run the show workers would own and run everything there would be private ownership by corporations stockholders would go to you know where and let me let me just if i may hate reading thing but this is very important the disgraceful use of prisons to regulate behavior would be replaced with a system that decriminalizes a wide range of offenses and provides victims victims are the ones in prison provides victims with mental health care and various forms of counseling to help people find productive ways to move forward after committing serious crimes so you commit a serious crime no more prison you know get counseling these people are loony bin ok let the democrats run on this employees ok steve what you just described is good mo in one form or a

the democratic socialists of america are doing the real practical work of rebuilding democratic institutionsel. you know? so in pittsburgh besides just kind of running candidates for local office and they have done, you know, kind of in miniature what they did with joe crowley and took on really established incumbents, members of kind of storied political family and defeated them just by like outcampaigning them, knocking on doors, building that political power and also do some of the stuff that maybe in the past like a ward boss might have done for you or union boss. right? so they have the brake light clinics. if you are a poor person and brake light is out and pulled over, that can really send your life in a tail spin so these kind of hipster millennials do clinics and change brake lights and offer it for free for people. they have all day child care on some of the days when schools are closed and they do free lunches and i think they're really trying to -- this is what the democratic party needs to be going to rebuild at the local level. >> thank you very much for coming. joel payne in w

of the democratic party is gaining speed. according to the associated press, 42 candidates at the local, state, and federal level this year have the former endorsement of the democratic socialists of americanie sanders are hitting the campaign trail and becoming recognizable faces of the democratic party. >> we are a nation that will not stop until every child is born with the opportunity to go to college or trade school free of cost, and we will not rest, we will not rest until every person in this country is paid a living wage to lead a digny filed life! >> the democratic socialist of america now have 45,000 dues paying members. >>> making sure women and people of color search fair pay was just one of -- receive fair pay was just one of many topics at a meeting today in san jose. elected officials and candidates discussed recent actions by congress and took questions from the audience. one congressman said that many who attended today's town hall were calling for higher wages and affordable housing. >> i am advocating with city leaders and others, how can we build more affordable housing, and how can we get some of the tech companies that have benefited enormously from this area to play

>> well, again you have a variety of voices in the democratic socialists of america. hestra. we don't agree on one policy all the time. it's like some 0 in the middle like me. how do you keep track of the rich history of mexican-americans and coming from europe and asia. we know the history of america. but africans who were enslaved want to open the borders and bring folk in. it's not a matter of no borders at all. it's a matter of how do you ensure their dignity is affirmed when they arrive so you don't have the trump administration separating children from their mothers and fathers. >> tucker: that's silly as you know. >> what is stilly? >> tucker: how do you think the descendants of american clav claves -- slaves benefit when you bring in more immigrants? i don't see that they get richer or happier? >> if we were having this discussion 100 years ago when you had millions of people coming from europe. irish hating britain and ireland and all of the folks who came into the making slices of this nation. that did not allow for the kind of coming together for poor and wo

would i come from america's most diverse county in the plenty of candidates who were endorsed by the democratic socialistsica, including the overall nominee in the end for the county executive, mark eldridge. i can type that is part of the american tapestry. nothing wrong with the nestles. connor them has obviously not a democratic socialist. we are going to have a lot of different voices come together and that is what makes being an american so exciting today. as a millennial, i do tend myself towards the left and that's okay. it's important to voice as well as jenna's voice and others like yours, cheryl are heard. >> i agree with that, that are voices have to be or do not fight democratic socialism is so dangerous for america. people are really recognizing what that theory actually means. if we look at the foundation of the country. cheryl: great discussion you guys. great discussion. i wish we had more time with you guys. we want to leave with both of you getting the final word. thanks for being with us this morning. >> good luck with the ritz crackers. gerri: and on it goes. papa john's not taking act

democrat in new york in all forty two people who run. for offices of federal state and local levels who have the formal endorsement of the democratic socialists of america county ng is a democratic socialist he's also a member of hawaii's state legislature and he's running for a seat in the u.s. congress joining us now from honolulu county on the ng are you a socialist in the old fashioned the old fashioned sense of the word or thought thanks for having me and i think democratic also with them is not so much about centralizing power within any it's in be it government or corporations more than just making sure that power is shifted back to the people that supposed to be represented on the democratic side on the socialist side just making sure their basic needs are met i think democrats for too long have been focused on process and the frames that the right use like they use it to justify cutting programs that help working people and. profits and really need the people in the conversation back to human need and wowing and why that is the case that in the richest country in the history of the world we still have so many homeless and uninsured and you know

. >> it is a socialist platform, she is openly card-carrying member of the democratic socialist party of americaou see is interesting, the best thing to happen to the gop since the election of donald trump along with record stockmarkets and successes of the first year in office but hundreds of primary elections settled across the country and an interesting phenomenon in the democratic party, democrats competing with one another to see who can out liberal one another. they seem to think they are operating in a primary election season but nothing could be further from the truth. they are in a general election season and a difficult midterm election where they hope to regain control of the house and senate. if they continue down this left past toward the november elections they will do so at their own peril. >> democratic socialists of america website you see things that are scary to a lot of americans, essentially against private profit in the economy. that is a standard of our way of life. what do you say to that? >> that is concerning to me as a blue dog democrat from atlanta, georgia. a moderat

. >> nationwide the democratic socialists of america have endorsed 42 candidates running for office inall in hopes of influencing in washington come november. in washington, garrett tenney, fox news. rob: the democratic party is embracing socialist values, but what does that mean for voters who doesn't? jillian: former national justice director for the bernie sanders campaign says socialism sounds good when democrats talk about it but the reality is they don't make good on their promises. >> things that democrats have lost their way with not being able to balance both conversations to talk about americans, particularly the african-american community which is why tom pÉrez is now apologizing to black women, but have done nothing to work on policies and principles that matter to people like myself. it's all about money, power and respect and the squeaky oil always gets the wheel, unfortunately african americans certainly agree with what i said the message hasn't been brought out with him but the left-wing media doesn't want to cover. the reality is who is going to scream the loudest and

can get reelected throughout the country, i'm not -- 45,000 dues paying members to the democratic socialists of americat enough to turn one congressional district necessarily by itself but i think you should -- i think republicans should be a little concern that democrats are kind of pulling it together and, you know, democrats, i think, should be that there's a debate on the side. mike: take a listen to congressional candidate thompson and i will have you respond. >> so when people want to say that this is trump country, i say hell no. [laughter] >> i looked at what we have been doing in our districts and that doesn't work, if a centrist message would have won then hillary clinton would have won here in 2016. mike: is there any chance, daniel, anywhere in kansas to go that far left? >> it's very, very unlikely. again, i'm not saying that socialism is going to take over but i think democrats should be hearden that there's debate. i come from georgia and a lot of bleeding-heart liberals even in very, very red states, of course, there's going to be some gathering in some acceptance in sorts of ideas in r

can get reelected throughout the country, i'm not -- 45,000 dues paying members to the democratic socialists of americarn one congressional district necessarily by itself but i think you should -- i think republicans should be a little concern that democrats are kind of pulling it together and, you know, democrats, i think, should be that there's a debate on the side. mike: take a listen to congressional candidate thompson and i will have you respond. >> so when people want to say that this is trump country, i say hell no. [laughter] >> i looked at what we have been doing in our districts and that doesn't work, if a centrist message would have won then hillary clinton would have won here in 2016. mike: is there any chance, daniel, anywhere in kansas to go that far left? >> it's very, very unlikely. again, i'm not saying that socialism is going to take over but i think democrats should be hearden that there's debate. i come from georgia and a lot of bleeding-heart liberals even in very, very red states, of course, there's going to be some gathering in some acceptance in sorts of ideas in red states, i w

prominent house democrat in new york in all forty people are running for offices at federal state and local levels who have the formal endorsement of the democratic socialists of america earlier i spoke to now he is a democratic socialist he is a member of the hawaii state legislature he's also running for a seat in the u.s. congress asked him first to explain what it means to be a democratic socialist. democratic socialism is not so much about centralizing or within any he's in the government or corporations but more of just making sure that our he's shifted back to the people that supposed to be represented on the democratic side on the socialist side just making sure her basic needs are met if the democrats for too long have been focused on process and the frames that the right used like they used to justify cutting programs that help working people and will thing for profits and really need to be folks in the conversation back to human need and whiling and why if that is the case that in the bridges country in the history of the world we still have so many homeless and uninsured and you know folks with out of basic their basic human rights in america and i get the

prominent white house democrat in new york and all forty two people running for office federal state and local levels have the formal endorsement of the democratic socialists of america. kemi outing is a democratic socialists who's a member of hawaii's state legislator he's also running for a seat in the u.s. congress he's why he believes the moment will gain the movement rather will gain traction especially among young americans. but for my generation i think the stakes are really high you know it used to be the case that you can get get ice for college and be on trial for homeownership might this trip eight hundred thousand dollars for an average home you're making two hundred thousand dollars a year so just the basic and the patience of what it means the pursuit of happiness and that american dream is just out of reach i think apple is mostly just what reasons are controlled both parties in congress for or the long and the only way to really great that it will is this stand up to corporate donors and that's why a lot of folks that are running as democrats also today are also that same candidates for any question about how we're running a race when we've all been w

prominent white house democrat in new york and all forty two people running for office is federal state and local levels have the formal endorsement of the democratic socialists of america. democratic socialists who's a member of hawaii's state legislator he's also running for a seat in the u.s. congress he's why he believes the moment will gain the movement rather will gain traction especially among young americans. for my generation i think the stakes are really high you know it used to be the case that you can get get ice for college and homeownership is great eight hundred thousand dollars for an average. year so just the basic. american dream is out of reach. this personally.

of the democratic party gaining speed according to the associated press. the candidates have the formal enforcement of the democratic socialists of america. the candidates like bernie sandsers and new york's alexandria cortez are hitting the campaign trail and becoming recoginzable faces of the new democratic party. >> we are a nation that will not stop until every child is born with the opportunity to go to college or trade school free of cost. [applause] >> and we will not rest. we will not rest until every person in this country is paid a living wage to lead a dignified life. >>> south florida the democratic socialists of america now have 45,000 due- paying members and have popular in states that have traditionally supported the gop like kansas and missouri. >>> five fishermen who were stranded are back home safely. they had to be rescued bus of rising high tide. the group of four men and one woman were reported stranded around 9:00 last night. the fire crews were able to guide the group back to their vehicles with flashlights and that lit a path around the water that has filled the space the group had used to reach the beach no one was

reporter: nationwide the democratic socialistedrs of america -- democratic socialists of america have endorsed 24 candidates. mike: the it would house is throwing its support behind a republican candidate running to be georgia's next governor. the vice president stumping for brian kemp. president trump also backing kemp in a tweet. he says he loves our military and vets and the 2nd amendment. francesca, great to see you. in many cases leaders stay out of elections until the primaries are sorted out. are you surprised the white house is going all out for brian kemp in this georgia rate? >> this is something we have seen president trump do increasingly. we saw him get involved in alabama where he supported martha roby. but he went all in for her as well. we see this president saying it's not good enough for someone to just be republican. he wants them to be someone he knows will support his agenda in congress. as we start campaigning more aggressively, not on do i think we'll see him endorsing people but we'll see him personally campaigning aggressively for some of these candidates. mik

judge jeanine: her candidacy was supported by democratic socialists of america. mocratic party doesn't seem to be in one place or the other. i heard she referred to turning a state rich. the worst part of the sparmt was she $said the reason the unemployment rate is so low is because people have two jobs. it makes no sense. she should take jimmy kimmel's job. judge jeanine: candace so, how's it going? well... we had a vacation early in our marriage that kinda put us in a hole. go someplace exotic? yeah, bermuda. a hospital in bermuda. a hospital in bermuda. what? what happened? i got a little over-confident on a moped. even with insurance, we had to dip into our 401(k) so it set us back a little bit. sometimes you don't have a choice. but it doesn't mean you can't get back on track. great. yeah, great. i'd like to go back to bermuda. i hear it's nice. yeah, i'd like to see it. no judgment. just guidance. td ameritrade. jeanine." judge jeanine: welcome back to "justice." i couldn't let the weekend without addressing what happened on "the view" this week. all of you

alexandria ocasio-cortez deserves credit for working hard, she won the assistance of the democratic socialists of americaa little known socialist from vermont would have been the candidate in 2016 but for the corruption of the democratic national committee. socialists are beginning to win elections at the state and national level, defeating even long-term incumbents. expect more hard left candidates to run. even obama's "life of julia" suggests an anti-capitalist framework. for those of you who need reminding, social i. doesn't work. according to the "wall street journal," people go through garbage bags to take whatever they can then try to sell the empty bags in venezuela. income is subject to state control and it hasn't worked out well in sweden either. pregnant mothers are turned away from ma turnity wards because of over -- maternity wards, causing pregnant women to give birth on the streets. oceanists wants what you have. i for one work hard. pay pay taxes, believe in capitalism and have no plans to move to convenience * or sweden. -- move to venezuela or sweden. margaret thatcher put it best when s

to speak to possibly the most famous of all advocates for democratic socialism, cornell west, from harvard, hon rary co-chair of the democratic socialists of americak you for coming on. >> thank you. good to be in dialogue with you once again. >> tucker: yes, it is. to give us some sense of what democratic socialism, can you point to an example, an extent example that works? vebz well a seems like an example of democratic socialism, venezuela, does it work? >> i don't think that democratic socialism as an ideal has been able to be inbodied in a larger social context. there are different forms. some are bad, some are medium, some are better. it is to the dignity of order people and to make sure they can live lives of decency. it's not annism, brother, it's about -- it's not an ism, it's about accountability of the powerful vis-a-vis those who have less power. women dealing with a household, days, lesbians, trans, black people, indigenous people, immigrants. how do we ensure they're treated decently and powerful don't if any way sub ju gate and exploit them. >> tucker: if that's what democratic socialism, i'm basically onboard. i think middle class

democratic socialist. some bay area activist believe her policy positions are on theac fo example, the message of health care for all, education for all and housing for all. the east bay democratic socialist of america say gotty electricitied, the group -- got elected, the group had 6,000 members nationwide and now there's 40,000. >> this means the democratic party will go harder left, more toward these progressive platt forms that look very different from the democratic establishment like nancy pelosi. >> much of that democratic socialist energy comes from the bernie sanders presidential cam mean. sanders did not shy a bay from promoting democratic socialism. >>> good morning, one thing you can say about politics it's not boring and joining us is mark desaulnier on the democratic side of the bench. we have to open up about the bomb shell in the bronx. joe crowley who was seen as a possible successful to nancy pelosi got knocked out of the primarily by a bartender, cortez, what is the story. >> 5,000 people showed up to -- 50,000 people showed up to vote and she's antarctic late young person who expressed her -- >> most america standards they go this is left verses far left. is that the tug at the d

judge jeanine: her candidacy was supported by democratic socialists of america. party doesn't seem to be in one place or the other. i heard she referred to turning a state rich. the worst part of the sparmt was she $said the reason the unemployment rate is so low is because people have two jobs. it makes no sense. she should take jimmy kimmel's job. judge jeanine: candace -looks great, honey. -right? sometimes you need an expert. i got it. and sometimes those experts need experts. on it. [ crash ] and sometimes the expert the expert needed needs insurance expertise. it's all good. steve, you're covered for general liability. and, paul, we got your back with workers' comp. wow, it's like a party in here. where are the hors d'oeuvres, right? [ clanking ] tartlets? we cover commercial vehicles, too. i think there's something wrong with your sink. jeanine." judge jeanine: welcome back to "justice." i couldn't let the weekend without addressing what happened on "the view" this week. all of you say the and most of you probably heard my and whoopi's version. what you di

prominent house democrat in new york in all forty two people are running for office is a federal state and local levels have a formal endorsement of the democratic socialists of america. is a democratic socialist who is a member of hawaii's state legislature he's also running for a seat in the u.s. congress here's why he believes the movement will gain traction especially among young americans. well for my generation i think the stakes are really high you know it used to be the case that you can get get out of high school or college and be on trial for homeownership might be straight eight hundred thousand dollars for an average home making two hundred thousand dollars a year so just the basic and the patience of what it means the pursuit of happiness and that american dream is just out of reach i think apple is especially just what regimes that control both parties in congress for party long and the only way to really great that it will is the stand up to corporate donors and that's why a lot of folks that are running as democrats also today are also that same candidates for any question about how we're running a race and when we will by working people getting five

democratic socialist. whatti does that mean exactly? well, last week the new york o democrats socialists of america issued a statement of their beliefs. quote, abolish profit, abolish prisons, abolish cash bail, abolish borders. abolish prisons in a countries of thousands of murderers every year? what would that look like? you'd be long gone, a refugee from our own country. something like that happened in venezuela. there are people in our country working to make it happen here. suddenly some of them are prominent in the democratic party. this is getting scary. if you pay attention, it will scare you. you think our so-called intellectual leaders would be working to moderate rhetoric like this, and guide it in a more responsible direction, but they're not. instead they're adding to the cycle of extremism. r consider the reaction to the retirement of justice anthony kennedy. left wing professor at prominent schools are calling for democrats to expand the number of seatse on the supreme court and pack it with liberals for a permanent majority. ian samuel wrote the supreme court with 10 liberals and only five conservatives would actually

for example, democratic socialists of america favor abolishing the senate, so they are fundamentally our republican-style of government and i think that, you know, this is out of step where most americans are. >> jason, i want to put a poll now before i get to my final question for you, should national democratic party declare socialist party, 41% of republicans say yes, only 19% of democrats say so, so with that in mind, is this the right path for the democrats to go down? the 99 days leading up to midterms? >> number one, we have to understand that socialism or democratic socialism is one wing of the party, we have a wide tent for the democratic party, many of us are, you know, think that certain programs from democratic socialism make sense, others we have to debate more. i think that we don't necessarily have to make one determination and say that we are socialists and also i want to say that, you know, just to respond to what the guest said, this idea how we are going the pay for it, number one with single-payer health care we will save $400 billion just in administrative costs,

you check on the website of the democratic socialists of america where you are getting alexandria ocasio-cortez and these other democratic candidates, and they say the reason to debate this is to heighten class con flirkts and question the idea of capitalism. i go further it's to stick the government into the deepest recesses of everybody's life. kennedy: we raise concerns about civil liberty violations in terms of fisa. imagine how the government could violate you if they were in control of every aspect of your healthcare. >> think about the politics of that. every donut you eat i the taxpayer am paying for it. that gives me the right to say no more donuts. the tobacco lawsuit was based, it was the state suing the cigarette company based on the expenditures through medicaid. once everything is covered by the government, they have the right to control what you eat and how many kids you have. all that will be the legitimate interest of the government. kennedy: look at canada and how long it takes to get treatment. it can be 13 weeks in some cases that those who who need treatment from specialist

and bernie sanders' free sufficient give away, the democratic socialists of america have seen an 8-foldrease in their membership in the last four years. if you don't adhere to the dogmatic tenets of socialism, you are shot down and a mob is assembled to reeducate you. it's no surprise the conflagration has burned rational discourse to the ground on universities. they have never had intoer face with the real world, let alone, real socialists. talk to people who fled the former soviet union tore former prisoners from labor camps. they probably don't have too many positive thoughts because ones left there are trying not to die. idealists would love to think that socialism is like a ikea catalog. but free market reforms in denmark and sweden are moving away from the controlled systems so their economy can grow. the only cure is a double dose of hot freedom and that's the memo. venezuela is currently one of the most of dangerous places on earth. hunger and crime are rampant. why on earth would anybody want to bring those catastrophic policies and conditions to the u.s. peter suderman, peter,

. >> i'm with the democratic socialist of america. regarding the closed session, we you might be negotiating with tp orpoa this is ridiculously, the public overwhelming vote on proa which allow increased use of foe from police regarding tasers. i wanted to remind folks becausi know that the way to disrupt capital and disrupt power is to showcase the public's power. please remember that poa collaborators went down real had in the next election. i want all of you to keep this n mind as you're talking with poa. thank you. >> vice president mazzucco: next speaker. >> i was at the townhall in norh beach. i don't think it went well at a. it seem like it was tax cut shot -- cut short. i was really dump founded why people people didn't cause trou. next day it was on "good morning america" and people in the natin had seen it. nobody except for are a few her. it's the same as the shooting. running with his gun and shootig really fast. testify what you eyes see. you can see it in the video. even on "world news tonight" thy slowed it down showed h

judge jeanine: her candidacy was supported by democratic socialists of america. esn't seem to be in one place or the other. i heard she referred to turning a state rich. the worst part of the sparmt was she $said the reason the unemployment rate is so low is because people have two jobs. it makes no sense. she should take jimmy kimmel's job. judge jeanine: candace owens, thanks so much. you have been waiting for it. it's coming up. robert: a hostage situation here in los angeles at a trader joe's grocery store has been resolved. police say the suspect has surrendered and is now in custody. police say this started around 1:30 p.m. local time with a shooting involving a suspect in his late teens, an elderly woman and younger woman after a family dispute. the suspect took off in a toyota camry with the two women and led police on a chase. police say the chase ended wet suspect crashed the car near the trader joe's and ran inside the store. police say the two women involved in the initial shooting were found in that car and the younger woman was injured and is now in

democratic socialist. >> we stand up for immigrants, we stand up for the lgbtq community. >> reporter: the east bay democratic socialists of america pushing for the same idea. >> a message of health care for all, education for all. housing for all. >> reporter: the group has a long list of events on the website, including tomorrow's abolish i.c.e. rally in richmond. >> before trump got elected, we only had 6000 members. in postage trump election, we rose to 30,000 members -- a post trump election, we rose to 30,000 numbers. >> reporter: what does that mean for democrats? >> does this mean the democratic party will go harder to the left? platforms that look very different from the democratic establishment, like nancy pelosi. >> republicans say thatonof the things this shows is that democratic socialists are ascendant in your party. are they right? >> know they are not. it is just in that district, perhaps. >> reporter: not so, say the east bay democratic socialists. they are convinced that their plan of health care for all is read -- resonating. >> they are going to go and receive the care that they need. they would pay zero dollar

you go to the democratic socialists of america web site, the pittsburgh chapter here, it says they wanttransition the a socialist society where the means and resources of reduction are democratically and socially controlled. a socialist society controlled. that's what they're all about. ask that's a recipe for paralysis -- lou: paralysis, it's a recipe for communism, come on! >> and not having an opportunity for people to live out their dreams and what they want to do and look to the state for everything. lou: congressman, great to have you here, and we appreciate it. keith rothfus, thanks so much. >> good being on with you. lou: radical dems consumed with hatred for president trump. they think the best way to show support for congresswoman maxine waters is to, well, of course, burn, insult the american flag. ♪ ♪ lou: we'll take up the radicalization of the leftist dems. ed rollins joins me right after this short break. stay with us, we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ i joined the army after 911, cuz, um, i thought that was what i needed to do. we got our orders to go overseas and i went to baghd

democratic socialist. what does that mean exactly? last week the democratic socialists of america issued a statement of their beliefs. abollish profit, abollish prisons, abollish cash wail, abollish borders. abollishing prisons? a country with thousands of murderers every year. ? you would be long gone along with every other normal productive person and what was once america. refugees from your own country. something like that happened in venezuela, people in our country working to make it happen here. suddenly some of them are prominent in the democratic party. this is wetting scary. if you pay attention it will ska you. i think our so-called interest electric trul leaders would guide this in a responsible direction. but they're not. instead the leaders are adding to the cycle of extremism. consider the reaction to the rerm tierment of justice anthony kennedy. left wing law professors are calling for democrats to expand the number of seats on the stream court and pack it with liberals for a leb permanent majoritity. ian samuel wrote with 10 liberals and five conservatives would b

i'm with the democratic socialists of america. i'm also an appellant attorney at the office of the state public defender, so i see the results of gang policing at the back end, where too many people are sentenced to multiple years for both a substantive gang offense and enhancement from the penal code 186.22. a lot of that is based on the testimony of a gang expert which is the testimony of a police officer. just to walk you through what that looks like, i have a case where one of the pieces of gang activity, gang association was a client who was doodling a bird in his school notebooks. you know, obviously, that's a symbol from the united farm workers, but the gang expert, the police officer testified that that's a norteno symbol. so when they talk about facts or evidence to demonstrate whether someone is associated with the gang, that's the sort of evidence that they're talking about, basically, the opinion of a police officer. and you know that's just the back end. you've heard about the over policing that occurs at the front end

>> well, she was endorsed by the democratic socialists of america, but it's important to point out that there wasn't that much of a policy difference between her and her challenger. i think he clarified in remarks that she made on "meet the press" just this morning that when she thinks of socialism, her particular brand, she's talking about universal and affordal health care. she's talking about free college. she's talking about affordable housing. these are things that democrats are already behind. joe crowley, whom she beat, endorsed medicare for all. and there are policies like medicare that are popular with republicans and democrats, and those are -- if you really think about it, they're socialist policies. so i think the argument for democrats and the strategy is to avoid being painted with the label or receiving the endorsement maybe while still advocating for the policies that they have been advocating for. >> very quickly, do you want to chime in on this? >> i think it's taking a page from donald trump's rhetoric where he would come up from these grand sweeping ideas and have no

co-chair of the justice committee for the democratic socialists of america. i'm here also in opposition to the reappointment of dr. marshall. while i think his commitment to public service is admirable over the past 14 years, i think some of the things we've heard addressed today highlights some problems. i mean, during that time period, you've had sfpd scandals ranging fajita-gate to racist text message scandal and, obviously, the officer-involved shootings including the most recent one with the man who was shot in the back in north beach. you know, i heard dr. marshall address the 2008 perf study and mention that it became less of a priority because they had crises come up. that's been the problem with his tenure the last 14 years. it's a police commission, and dr. marshall specifically, addressing crisis-by-crisis, without looking at the reforms that need to be undertaken. he mentioned that they made progress the last three years, and that's admirable. we're talking about a 14-year tenure and problems pointing out for a long time and if we're just addressin