while we used to call them democrats.uthor thomas frank democrats sold out working-class morning, leaving them to fake concern for those who aren't making it in today's america. so democrats look in the mirror, it's the "inside story." >> the republicans are the party of rich people, white collar workers, the investor class. the americans who make a living from investments, dividends capital gains. the democrats are the party of the working class. people who make their living from wages alone. depend on public institutions like schools. in his embracing critic, author thomas frank says those old ideas are gone, in "listen liberal," frank traces the journey to the party of educated socially liberal, white collar elites. don't blame the other guys, the author of "listen liberal," thomas frank is with me here in washington. when you put that critic to a member of the democratic apparatus, they will say, what did you expect us to do? what this guy -- this thomas frank is suggesting in this book would have been a kind of unila

the reagan democrats. >> but you don't think those working people out there look upon the democratic parties of wine and cheese elite party. cultural elite party looking down his nose at working people. you know what i'm talking about. >> i do know what you're talking about. >> how come that happens. >> you remember, i remember when ronald reagan came to the floor. >> can we take a break? >> yeah. the opposing candidate to your candidate, bernie sanders out in michigan right now. let's watch. >> all right. what i'm going to try to do tonight is to do something very radical in american politics. i'm going to tell you the truth. here is something about the truth. the truth is not always pleasant. you know, i wish i could come before you and tell you everything is great, don't worry about anything. but if i told you that, i would be lying to you. so, what i have to do as a candidate for president is to be honest with you. because i believe that if we have thecourage to look our problems right in the face and if we don't bury them, we can address them. we can resolve them. so, what are s

democrats not voting in the droo democratic, but crossing over to vote on the republican side. some of them will be donald trump votes from people who are otherwise democrats, but the kasich campaign thinks a lot of them will be anti-donald trump pro john kasich votes. you have to wonder what this is going to do in the democratic primary, though, in ohio and in other states. for information on that, we go to kristin welker, who is in west palm beach, with the clinton campaign. kristin, has the clinton campaign said anything how they feel about this crossover vote, whether it's good or bad for them? >> i've been talking to a number of officials, and apologies, it just got loud here. there is a lot of hand ringing going on inside the clinton campaign, concerns that this is going to hurt her in critical states like ohio, illinois. where they say we're seeing this crossover rate, at a higher rate than it happened back in 2008. democrats voting against donald trump. still, the clinton campaign feeling confident she can expand her delegate lead tonight if she wins a state like florid

the democrats went down. there's much less enthusiasm for the democrats. >> you'll have to trust us, donald trump actually spoke during the event tonight behind the podium with the gold leaf on it. anyone who has a house with a name is doing okay. built by marjorie merriweather post. who had a lot of money. 58 bedrooms. that's a house. >> i realize this is just plainly ignorant of me, but is that a home, or is that like a resort? can other people stay there? is it a hotel? >> it's on the national register. i think if you buy it as a home you have to agree to keep it up. because it's history that belongs -- >> can donald trump charge money to people to stay there? and there's a desk? i don't know. >> asking the wrong guy. we have thght gufor this conversation, however. ben ginsberg is with us. chuck todd is with us. nicole wallace remains with us. counselor, what do you do with this establishment? >> i think what you do is face the reality that you have to do a lot electorally in the next two weeks. march 15th

that's a democrats appeal. it's a working-class situation is not really racism and that's just my comment. thank you. >> guest: i'm going to disagree with you on that because democrats when it comes to black americans the number one thing that is causing mostst of the crime and lack of education that my race isexperin experiencing that we continue to vote for the same party and continue to get the same results. 72% of all black davies are born out of wedlock. that needs there more black babies born into homes without a mom and a dad. whether you look at brookings institute or heritage as polar opposites. one is on the right one is on the left.dada all the data shows when a child is born into that kind of situation their chances of falling into poverty not graduating from high school and falling into crime are exponential over like 70%. so if democrats are really interested and i talk about inbn the book "con job" in solvingul this problem they would look at how do we stop and it's not just one generation, it's

but the democrats were poised to make history. , southern white democrat, but had been a new dealer. in spite of his reputation as a , he never actually voted against civil rights. hen he becomes president amazes his fellow citizens by redeeming the roosevelt vision at least to some extent. .n the 1960's in 1935 those that we think of as the greatest generation were 15 years old. 1965 they are 45 years old. ones who enacted medicare and medicaid, expanded social security. reform to the immigration laws. they created the environmental protection agency. many of them had been veterans ccc.osevelt's the consumer product safety regulations. public employee unions. the occupational safety and health administration. that generation that had confronted fascism. suffered in the war. and fought the war. when they reach maturity they act upon roosevelt's vision. harvey: i am convinced, absolutely convinced. as my generation like to thanks, we made the 60's. the 1960's rambunctious, and pushed our elders to act, but it is the elders who only needed the price. they are the ones that made the 196

party or the democrat party and their democrats a long-term democrats and were never going to switch and they all switched, and they were independents. we have expanded the party. look at the number of votes we had in that area as an example. four years ago, they had 390,000 or so votes. we are almost 800,000. whereas the democrats went down. there's much less enthusiasm for the democrats. look, i'm a unifier. i know people will find that hard to believe, but believe me, i'm a unifier. once we get all of this finished, i'm going to go after one person, that hillary clinton , on the assumption she is allowed to run, which is a big assumption. i don't know she is going to be allowed to run. amy: we begin with three guests. the washington, d.c., hans noel from georgetown, university co-author of, "the party , decides." his new piece for the "new york times" is called, "why can't the gop stop trump?" here in new york, donna murch is associate professor of history at rutgers university whose recent piece in the new republic "the clintons' war on drugs: , when black lives didn't matter." a

democratic primary. this was not unexpected and again the split will be important. if ate 3-12, hillary clinton would get 31, 32 of the delegates, bernie sanders only five or six. bernie sanders cannot afford to lose, to have a deficit of 25, 26 delegates in mississippi because it weakens his arguments in states like michigan. there is intriguing news in michigan. democratic officials and there you see bernie sanders with a 4% lead only 5% in. here's the good news for bernie sanders, democrats across the state of michigan are reporting record turnout for a democratic primary. in the city of grand rapids, democratic officials saying that they've already exceeded the number of votes in grand rapids than was the case in 2008 when that race was barack obama against hillary clinton. heavy turnout is great for bernie sanders. its looking for a surprise in michigan to make the argument that hillary clinton cannot rest night with the industrial midwest. the biggest problem for bernie sanders we saw because of mi

why do they go through the democratic democratic party? my grandfather was a republican. but once the civil rights act was passed, a lot of the dixiecrat went to the republican party. that's why you find so many in the republican party today. now, to be honest with you, i think that politically speaking in the black people or between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the republicans and democrats we don't have that much of a chance. when you are voting at least i feel i'm voting for the lesser of two evils. people used to say one of them is bad and the other one is worse so there is no such thing as a perfect candidate. i'm leaning more towards bernie sanders this round because i don't want some of the things donald trump said. he's colorful, but i wasn't covered up and vote for the guy because the things that he said he's arrogant but i guess you have to be to be as rich as he is. the other thing is no one has said anything about hillary clinton when she told a lie about going to coast about and be king exposed and when it was in the media that she had told that n

on the democrat side, in the democratic caucus in utah, we have one poll this month and it shows bernieight points. senator sanders does pretty well in caucus states. there's a democratic caucus tomorrow in idaho where there's been precisely zero recent public polling but where senator sanders is expected to win. both the sanders campaign and the clinton campaign say they expect senator sanders to win both democratic caucuses tomorrow in idaho and utah. we won't know until we know but those are the expectations. the big prize on both sides tomorrow is arizona. arizona has long been seen as friendly territory for hillary clinton. she beat barack obama in the arizona primary in 2008 by nearly ten points. bill clinton also won arizona in the 1996 general election. to this day that's the only time a democratic presidential candidate has won arizona in a general election since harry truman. this time around the polls look good for clinton. the polls have her up by 26 points over senator sanders. then again, there's only been two polls of the democrat race in the past five months in arizona.

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i will be for the democratic party. i want a democrat to be the next president of the united states. bernie will be part of that coalition. he will encourage his people to be part of that coalition. i think if hillary play it's right, they'll be all behind her. i know i will be 100%. >> hold on one second. we're waiting right now to hear from bernie sanders who will be taking to the stage in madison, wisconsin. we're following all of that coming up. ♪ ♪look out honey...♪ ♪because i'm using technology...♪ ♪ ♪ain't got time to make no apologies...♪ ♪ ♪soul radiation in the dead of night...♪ ♪love in the middle of a fire fight...♪ ♪ ♪honey gotta strike me blind...♪ ♪somebody gotta save my soul...♪ ♪baby penetrates my mind...♪ ♪ ♪ [cheering] ♪and i'm the world's forgotten boy...♪ ♪ ♪the one who's searchin'...♪ ♪searchin' to destroy...♪ ♪ ♪and honey i'm the world's forgotten boy...♪ ♪ [woodworker] i live in the fine details. that's why i run on quickbooks. i use the payments app to accept credit cards... ...and everything au

is because there was a democrat senate and a democrat house.rats in the house of representatives. he's absolutely right. the president does blame us for not doing things that he could have gotten done when he had a majority. the people repudiated the democrats after two years of president obama and speaker pelosi. and that's when republicans were put back in the majority been 2010. the gentleman is absolutely right about that. we got the stimulus under the first two years of president obama, which added to our debt, over $1 trillion. and we got obamacare. host: what ask you about your work on the education and workforce committee. we mentioned you were on the rules committee, we have a newly confirmed secretary of education , john b king, junior. what do you make of this new education secretary? he is somebody who is well known by members of congress. he has been at the department of education. wast: he has been, and he at the workforce committee about three weeks ago for hearing that we had. the main concern that we have with the new secretary

i'm a blue dog democrat, a corporate democrat, a moderate democrat. of the ary clinton is same club. bernie sanders or donald trump or nobody. thank you. host: before you go, your concern about the corporate a ia promoting this idea of trade war, you said the corporate media will push their information out. your do you get information? think we lost eric, but we'll for to arizona, up next independents. genias roberts. good : good morning, and morning world. this is a very important job for e and a very important issue, because i've lived through this here. might experience in, you say, trade wars, and i am retired from u.s. steel. it was a very, very good job. but what i want to say is this country better start paying inention to the fifth phrase the preamble to the constitution promote the general welfare. me act, please don't cut off. this is very, very important for people that are voting and finally losete and interest, okay. hat it amounts to is that the general welfare has not been this scamming all trading, which means go to where is, you know,

for example, who gets into a primary debate -- republicans in a republican debate, democrats in a democraticebate. it means that a person who does not fit will come into the environment in the expectation that is the only way to get media coverage. you have people that actually are not part of the republican party running the republican party, and bernie sanders is running in the democratic party. rand paul does not long in the republican party, nor does bernie sanders belong in the democratic party. the parties has gripped the system, it is hard to do anything else. parties that stood for anything that is highly coherent in a long time. candidates have been defining what it means to be a party bargain the nomination of the party, and a party than falls in line with that identity. as a result, there have been wild swings in what it means to be a republican or a democrat as a presidential nominee. fernando: i'll have more with doctor jamieson next week, speaking to the issue of political messaging in campaigns. and i'd like to know your thoughts. tweet me @matteroffacttv and connect on facebo

democrats have 80% of the senate seats. so whether they want to embrace donald trump or not, if he is the nominee they're going to be on ballot with him just as democrats are going to be on the ballot with hillary clinton. >> you see that in 2014 and democrats tried to run away from president obama and it didn't work so well. all the ads that the republicans ran they were tying people, senator and congress folks to -- >> i was talking to somebody who is involved in a lot of these senate races and he said to me our candidates can answer questions about ted cruz. there are a lot of questions they can't answer about donald trump and that's a real problem. >> there's not only two choices of whether to embrace him or not embrace him, there's the choice to actively reject him. i think in some states you may see that. in miami in south florida he has come out and embraced the never trump movement. i think in ohio it's going to be a question about what rob portman is going to do and in new hampshire, some of these folks are going t

bernie sanders, across the country, he's done well with non-democrats who have voted in democratic primaries. those people will not be able to vote in the democratic primary in arizona tonight. it's democrats only. that's another advantage to secretary clinton in the state. one final advantage secretary clinton has is evident in the early vote. arizonans love voting early. more than almost any other state. we're going to have an exclus i i ive look of what we know the state later on this hour. we have some exclusive data that may tell us how things will go there tonight based on who has voted in the state. stay tuned for that. that's said, with all those advantages for hillary clinton and how well at least doing in the polling there's been in arizona, it should be noted that bernie sanders has been pulling out the stops in the way he's campaigned in arizona. he's been campaigning really hard. he's done rallies in cities all over the stay including phoenix and tucson and late last night he was in flagstaff. he's also spent more money in arizona than other campaign on the democratic or republi

host: you are a democrat. caller: yes. i voted democrat since carter. except for 1980, i voted for john anderson. host: who will you vote for? caller: i will write in bernie, if i'm allowed to. i will not vote if it is hillary. host: what if it is hillary clinton versus donald trump in a general election? caller: i will not vote. host: you will just stay at home? will vote for everything else, but i will not vote for a republican like donald trump and never hillary. host: let's hear from an independent. gary in cumberland, rhode island. caller: how are you? host: good morning. caller: good morning. i'm very disappointed in america right now. putting donald trump in the lead. the government is trying to get apple to create software to break into a phone. sayshole republican party they are constitutionalists, that is unconstitutional. donald trump said he would tell apple to do it, to find the constitution. -- defying the constitution. host: the wall street journal agrees with you. the fbi does not want merely one phone. the fbi on capitol hill , thefying

it's a huge break in sort of a democratic -- from within democratic politics. >> also astounding when consider who is leading the republican field. i did see some of the more conservative tweeters talking about perhaps tonight's debate was best for donald trump. that if you were trying to stir up a nativist ring of the republican party, then this in many ways stoked their greatest fears. >> the question is moving into a general election, if it's hillary clinton or bernie sanders, how does that play once you are against a republican candidate? >> we will find out. there is no question trump is changing american politics. we'll see if he is a nominee and what it does. but there is no question, a, it motivates the republican base, it's the issue that got trump started, and i think the economic stuff has helped donald trump grow. it was his launching point in the republican race. the democrats now believe, though, that the demographics favor them. this is one of the states that the laboratory for that. this used to be a republican leaning state in presidential politics. always competitive

they may have oversampled democrats and you don't have enough democrats to offset -- >> i just want to say one thing, you don't know what impact the debate had on sanders supporters. >> my point, though, is if it had a bigi itdebate, you'd see wider gap -- i think it struck a wider gap on the auto bailout. >> it's the first time we have some votes coming in from idaho. 3% of the vote is in. ted cruz has a lead right now at 38.5%. marco rubio is in second place with 28.4%. donald trump in third place, 22.3%, john kasich is in fourth place with 7%. but this is very, very early. cruz maintained a lead of 447 votes over marco rubio right now but once again, very early. these are the first votes we're getting in from the idaho republican primary. >> let's continue the conversation. >> i was saying there's something i'm seeing in the math bigger than any topic we discussed tonight. and i don't have a fancy computer here. the republicans will have about 1.5 million votes in aggregate, the democrats about 1 million. donald trump when it finishes tonight if the math holds about 525,000 votes. t

they'll be for democrats and democrats alone. and what you see is that hillary clinton's won 66% to 67% of democratic voters. those are the states she does very well in and you have those in new york, you have those in delaware, you have those in maryland and pennsylvania. these large delegate counts. and that is why the trajectory changes for bernie sanders moving forward. let me say this -- congratulations to bernie sanders. bernie sanders has come a lot further than anybody would have ever guessed he would come and tonight is his night so western sanders saturday. >> we already called it sanders saturday. >> wisconsin next, looks very good for him. >> it does. >> the momentum, the energy, the enthusiasm clearly. >> just one more thing. i'm sorry. because we've been on this demographic thing. it's important to know earlier on we talked about this being majority white demographics today with these three primaries. that's not the case. so in hawaii you have 26% of the demographics in hawaii are white. it's a majority, multicultur

democrats, 8% of democrats voted. republicans 64%, and independents 28%. you had democrats 8%, independents 28%, and then if we can go ahead and take a look at the democratic vote, where they went, they did end up going to kasich, 55% across the board. across the state. trump came in with 39% of those democratic votes, and then the independent voters, kasich winning that, as well, across the state, 44% and trump with 35%. so, as you were just saying, i mean it went to both of them then. >> it did go to both of them. and i think some of the crossover by democrats that i know, for example, to go vote for john kasich in order to stop donald trump, so that did happen. i think those were the late breakers. those folks were, you know, going because they were in a panic -- >> and hillary clinton had her gaffe about coal. >> that's right. that is absolutely correct. and i think that that turned a lot of people off in eastern ohio because it is coal country. in my area, as i was mentioning, we were running out of republican ballots in the communities surrounding yo

michigan for the democratic party, split look for the democrats as you'll be hearing.t's all on the big board behind me. bernie sanders was awarded the state of michigan. it took a long time after the polls closed for good reason and a very high percentage before that call came

he's going to drive democratic turnout.is getting destroyed amongst college educated women as ron said, more importantly, black and brown women will come out in droves to make sure that donald trump does not beat back a lot of the progress we made as a country. >> of course. >> hold on a second. it continue this conversation. a quick break. you see on the side of the screen we are watching anchorage, alaska, watching washington state. caucuses happening right now. votes coming in and important conversation going on with these panels. we'll be right back with much more of our special coverage. in. i know what you're thinking, they all claim stuff like that. yeah, but some of them stretch the truth a little bit. like this. faster, more reliable and better coverage than ever. and it shows the coverage there. uh, oh, hold on. oh! map is not a depiction of coverage! well, then what's the point? i'm speechless. only verizon has the largest 4g lte network in america. and now if you buy a samsung galaxy s7 edge, you get one free. o

for the democrats.e is blowing up the turnout model because he is getting new voters who aren't on anyone's radar. so it's really unpredictable what he could do in a general election. >> these could be a lot of working class democrats as well. and especially the industrial midwest to come out and vote for trump in a general election. the original point is bernie sanders has a compelling argument to make in this campaign he can keep going. he has a path. an argument. not a path toward winning. between superdelegate support and how they are consolidating the major elements is just hard to see. >> ron, what do you think? >> bernie sanders has an advance from where he started. he can be competitive with working class whites. in 13 states where we have exit polls, hillary clinton has won white voters in eight of them. and in states with enough african-american votes to measure, she has won 78% of those. the path does narrow for sanders because the big states on the democratic side are all diverse. we will se

i myself would, i suppose i identify as a democrat because i've only voted democratically in every election. however, i, you know, as i getas older, as i become more informed and become i suppose more active in the political process, i think i have changed my understanding of who i should vote for. and maybe i'm more of an independent than a democrat. >> host: i'm going to let crystal wright jump in. >> guest: thanks, and you make some great observations. i think racism -- if i had more time, i don't want to dominatedo the short time i have with talking about the differenthe types of racism. i experience racism from professors when i was in college and high school, so there are, h you know, we probably don't -- we don't have enough time to go boo all that. but -- into all that. >> host: what about her preferred definition? let's talk about covert and overt racism. >> guest: well, look, i believe there's overt racism that we see, that we hear, right?ra and i gave some examples. there is covert racism in hiring practices now still with fortune 500 companies. you have racism, do taxi cab drive

okay, judge, the democratic race?y clinton's biggest whoa is is the justice department. i believe that the fbi isvj nearing a conclusion on the -- its accumulation of evidence. it has the evidence, it's corroborating and recorroborating the evidence. and recommend to the superiors in the justice department that it be present to do a grand jury. what happens there, nobody knows. if the evidence is not present to do a grand jury, i think you will see that evidence along with fbi commentary on it all over the place and that will be devastating to mrs. clinton. >> and the doj internally will kind of break apart? i mean, people will have a problem. >> i think people will resign because there is such a serious effort -- remember, there are two investigations of her, one public corruption and the other the email scandal voluming hundreds of fbi agents. i can't see them sitting on their hands if that work is tossed in the trash can because the president wants her to succeed. >> there is such a disconnect here, marah. if the p

that could very well be the open nature of the mississippi primary, where democrats had a democratic primary to go vote in. and therefore making the republican electorate slightly more conservative, that should be good news for a ted cruz, for instance, no? >> well, it's what we've seen across the early voting states so far, is that there is a more conservative electorate that's coming out to vote. and fundamentally, all the age and education, income, those things seem to be pretty steady. so it's a pretty exciting and different set of numbers that i don't think has been reported all that much in terms of the changing electorate. and of course, you add on top of that how many more people are coming out to vote, and it certainly shows you that this set of candidates is working to change the electorate and move people to the polls. >> fred, i want to put up the michigan ideology numbers. and this is just for the republican electorate, for now. but i think you'll see that it might be having an impact on the democratic vote. as i pointed out, it hasn't been since 1992 that michigan repub

democrat.ll have a democratic senate who can put somebody in there far more to his liking. deirdre: a jedi mind trick. judge napolitano: it's high stakes political poker with the court. it will cause his good and decent man to twist in the wind and cause the court to be part of a political process when it needn't be. deirdre: you said hillary clinton will be indicted. i want to ask you about this. judicial watch is filing a motion that 8 past and present state department officials linked to hillary clinton's email scandal have been named and not yet announced. judge napolitano: this motion asked judge sullivan, a president clinton appointee to the court presiding over the freedom of information act case that judicial watch brought to the state department. he has already said, i'm authorizing you to take a deposition, an examination under oath, not in the courthouse, but in the lawyer's office of mrs. clinton's closest aides. you tell me who they are. and i'll seen it order. here is your charge,

that's the current democratic leader. the incoming democratic leader did not even wait until the final year of george w. bush's term to essentially tell the senate not, he said, not to consider any supreme court nominee the president sent. the biden rule supports what the senate is doing today. underlining that what we're talking about is a principle and not a person. so here's our view. instead of spending more time debating an issue where we can't agree, let's keep working to address the issues where we can. we just passed critical bipartisan legislation to help address the heroin and prescription opioid crisis in our country. let's build on that success. let's keep working together to get our economy moving again. and make our country safer. rather than endlessly debating an issue where we don't agree. as we continue working on issues like these, the american people are perfectly capable of having their say, their say, on this issue. so let's give them a voice. let's let the american people decide. the senate will appr

blue collar democrats have been frustrated because democrat policies have not worked for them. a lot have changing their affiliation and voting republican to vote for mr. trump. why? >> well one of the things i'm hearing that's actually kind of disturbing me is this notion that somehow there will be checks and balances. the things that's kept us over the last six years from having the full effects of barack obama. unfortunately donald trump on the ticket in november imperils republicans across the board. so we don't want to have that situation and empower democrats even more. make those policies even worse on coal country in ohio and elsewhere. john kasich helped bring 400,000 jobs back to ohio. cutting taxes. balancing budgets. exactly what we need for washington. so we need someone who can actually win here and he'll win today in the primary and that will help him go onto the nomination and eventually win in november. >> go ahead scott. >> carol let me point out something. the numbers don't lie in chicago just like shakira's hips. actually since john kasich signed nafta more

democratic politics. even the candidates who were sidelined in successive primaries, talking about a living wage, it was really out of the main stream. harvey: it is interesting that the living wage issue has become more prominent. we now have candidates from the other party that are not promoting freedom from fear, but freedom to fear. i do not buy into conspiracy theories often, but it did -- but it does strike me that what freedom toering, the fear, might be part of the effort to suppress these arguments that should be at the forefront of our public agenda, such as the living wage. the living wage movement is not going away. if hillary clinton or bernie sanders wins the presidency, that is going to be there. hillary clinton can say $12 is ok. labor won't let her do that. if she wins, we are going to see a $15 minimum wage. if bernie gets it, it we will definitely see $15 minimum wage. alexander: i am eager to invite the audience to participate. for now maybe five more minutes , of discussion between us

where the democratic candidates, in the case of minnesota, both democratic candidates got more support than any of the republicans that were on the ballot. and in virginia, you saw that the leading vote getter of any of the candidates that were on the ballot was a democrat. and that's significant because anybody who shows up at the polls can choose either a democratic or a republican ballot to vote for the candidate of their choice. i think that's a pretty clear sign that the candidate with the most support in virginia right now is the democratic frontrunner. given the important role that virginia has played in the last two general elections, i would anticipate that virginia will play an important role in this general election. and that seems to bode well for the democrats right now. reporter: you also mentioned that you didn't think that donald trump would necessarily be helpful, may not be helpful to the top of the ticket. does the white house believe that the house -- [inaudible] mr. earnest: there certainly are lots of people who will weigh in on both sides of this argument. i'm co

what have you xwot, democrat or whig? >> democrats. they are against government spending and also against tariff. >> what was the tariff again? >> some sort of tax, right? >> yeah. tax on? >> goods. >> goods, right, coming into the united states. that's good. we have a few of them here. let's see what i had. weak government, got that one. yep. i put up they are against action. lets not forget indian removal. that counts as action. it's a little more complicated. more like the action of jackson opposed. spending. i think we heard that one. that was jackson's maysville road veto. that refers to the veto and the image you are seeing jackson holding it as a power. i think you mentioned anti-tariff. you got them all. remember the tariff of abominations. that was a measure passed under the john quincy adams presidency. it was attacked by jackson, so-called tariff of abominations. yeah. what we see then are the democrats, in a lot of ways, they are the legacy party of the democratic republicans. they even have the same name. so there's really

i am tired of being a centrist democrat. i am a democrat not a centrist. i am more progressive than centrist and she dropped that out of her words and this lady is saying that's where they want to go to the center and i don't want to see the democrats keep going to the center. i want to parties. i want a democrat and a republican. we can identify the republicans. i want to identify the democrats as a true democrat. host: how do you respond? guest: i have heard this before. my answer to the gentle man would be that hillary clinton is a true democrat and we are running for the office of president. i think you have to understand that when you are the president, to get things done, you have to work with both sides of the aisle. you have to make sure you're doing what's best for the american people. the other thing you have to look at is while i don't have up problem and everybody has the right to their choice to support ernie, some would say that bernie is not a 100% democrat. some say he is a socialist democrat. people don't know what that means. the most imp

about 50,000 democrats the turn out. apparently, they printed 65,000 ballots just in case. they estimate that they got more like 80,000 people to turnout on the democratic side in utah. so again, that is the bernie sanders theory of the case in terms of how he thinks he wins. he thinks he wins when he gets very large numbers of people to current out. also in terms of the idaho expectations, we just heard from the democratic party communications director that the rest of the state was coming in. and they were just waiting on ada county. now that we have the ada county results which steve kornacki reported, the ada county reports showed a handwritten result on the yellow legal pad, if ada county is in i expect that the idaho numbers will pick up fast in terms of the other numbers we got. >> hold that to the division of elections -- >> i'm not allowed to. >> lawrence, you're smiling. >> well, i just want to go back to a note that chris matthews struck, he was last speaking and talking about tell world's perception on the ba

race, people who are otherwise, or who are otherwise democrats, otherwise sympathetic to the democratic party and members of the democratic party, deciding not to cast that vote today for either sanders or clinton, so they can weigh in on the other contest instead. i mean, how is that going to work out? >> that's the thing, ricochet effect. steve kornacki is going to talk to us about the board. >> we can show you the early exit polls, the question of how many democrats, how many independents are coming into the republican primary. so what we're seeing is a comparison, compared to 2008, it was a similar situation in ohio. they had a choice, big democratic primary going on, hillary clinton, barack obama, you had a big republican primary going on, what you saw back then was an electorate that was 80% republicans. they called themselves republicans. 17% in the rhyprimary were independents. we're seeing a lot more independents. number has jumped from 17 to 28. the number of democrats, more than doubling from 3 to 7. that combined is 35% we're seeing in this exit poll. 35% more than a third o

now, they were divided between the war democrats and peace democrats, the former supporting the war for the union but not for emancipation and the latter calling for a cessation of hostilities and negotiation of peace, acknowledging the confederacies independence. after a bitter struggle between the factions, the convention named george mcclellan for president. somebody else we've also learned he was terrible. though he had been removed from command by president lincoln, the young 37 years old, if he'd won had been the youngest president we've ever had. and very appealing and very popular, george mcclellan became the nominee. the convention also bridged a platform that declared justice, humanity, liberty and the public welfare demand that immediate efforts be made for cessation of hostilities. think how weird this is, you having the man who just a few years before had been the most prominent member of the united states army is now in a party that calls for abandoning the war. now, despite mcclellan's popularity, the democrats confronted two problems. first, immediately after they declar

host: for democrats. republicans. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 four republicans. and for independence, 202-748-8002. amongst alicy came up variety of topics when donald trump set down with editors from the washington post yesterday. one of the topics that came up was about donald trump's view of the world and a larger discussion about nato. the headline this morning reads "trump questions the u.s. role in the world." during a daylong tour of washington talking about the need of the north atlantic treaty. and it's pressing skepticism about a u.s. military presence in asia. the interview was posted on the washington post website. here is a little bit of donald trump talking about the role of nato and the role of the u.s. and the world. trump: i see nato is a good think to have. i look at the ukraine situation and i say, so ukraine is a country that affects is far less than it affects other countries in nato and yet, we are doing all of the lifting. they are not doing anything. and i say, why is it that germany is not dealing with nato on ukraine? countriesthat other

are democrats switching over from the democratic ranks to vote for him?you know, i think if kasich wins, it's going to be about his ability to really have something of a broad coalition which is what he was able to do in his last re-election campaign, did very well with african-american voters, looks like african-american voters might be 19, 20% of the overall electorate there. so it's going to be really interesting. >> david, so far, kasich has been able to do well in states where he's been able to spend a lot of time. we saw that in new hampshire where he did more than 100 town halls. clearly he's been putting everything into ohio in order to win there. when i talked to him yesterday, every time i've talked to him, asked him, okay, say you win ohio, what changes? i mean, he says, well, he thinks he'll do well in illinois, exactly whatever that means, he won't be specific. also he says that he'll just get more interviews and the narrative will sort of change if he wins ohio. >> well, i do think that if he wins ohio, the aura around him will change. the p

this was not just any party democratic party. it was a party that held overwhelming congressional majority for 50 years with very few interruptions. republicans could only get something done by adding a voice to the compromise handed out within -- compromised hammered out within the democratic party. or by joining one faction or another. civil rights bill or that effort to stop universal healthcare for instance. between 1960 and 1990, it was a great sorting out of two parties along ideological lines. republicans became solidly conservative, democrats became solidly progressive. that sorting correspondent into a geographic sorting as well. republicans were centered in the sun belt in the stage west. democrats held the northeast coast and the west coast. states like ohio and few others remained up for grab. none of this would have mattered if the electoral ballot between the parties had not become so competitive. but for the first time since the new deal coalition conservatives republican could at least aspire to capturing the whit

democrats have been running from his legacy, and is wonderful to see both major candidates in the democratic party embracing roosevelt legacy. the real trick is, will we be as good as our grandparents' generation? will we leave up to his legacy? alexander: questions, if we are prepared -- mic, sir, right here. while someone is poised to us a question, i will follow up. those ideals, do you think they are largely uncontested in democratic circles today, because unlike the republican party, which is sorely divided, there is a unity of purpose on the part of the democrats. as it is points out, they are still in effect, a corporatist model in which they participate. harvey: the last debate was interesting to the extent that hillary clinton was explaining her eagerness to embrace all democrats, rich and not so rich, and poor. bernie sanders was on the verge of what madison said, i welcome their hatred, when he referred to the 1% of his day, and the american liberty league, which is koch brothers and others. alexander: sir? >> i am wondering what you think is the future of the four freedoms in lig

hillary clinton the big winner on the democratic side.akeaway this evening is not just that donald trump dominated in seven contests, possibly eight, if you look at the turnout numbers of how many democrats and republicans are turning out to vote, across the board in democratic primaries and caucuses, it's down. people are not voting. they're not as enthusiasmic and across the board in the democratic side people are enthus arrestic. records were set tonight. it's astounding. this is not the first time we've said this. it's a trend. if democrats are not careful they're going to lose this presidential election. >> that's right. there's no question love them or hate them, a lot of the new voters coming out on the republican side, they want to influence the trump factor. there doesn't seem to be in he question about that, but -- look, i've met on the campaign trail, you've met them on the campaign trail, there are a lot of people who have been completely disaffected who like donald trump's message. they like the idea that finally from their p

the democratic presidential caucuses, we're about to get premise area results on the democratic sitde we have a key race alert from utah. on the republican side, the republican presidential caucuses, very early, 2% of the vote is in. ted cruz maintains his lead with 62%. donald trump has 23.4% and john kasich has 14.6%. very early in this contest. just a few more than 2,000 votes have been counted. on the democratic side 6% of the vote is in, but bernie sanders has an impressive lead over hillary clinton. 66.9% over 30% for hillary clinton. still very, very early in utah. let's go to john king at the magic wall. utah democratic and republican caucuses the results are finally beginning to come in. >> senator sanders will be happy with the early results, but he needs this win here. no question, senator sanders expecting to win here and in idaho after hillary clinton's big win in arizona where she's looking to get six out of ten delegates there, for bernie sanders to get 60%, seven out of ten delegates here. arizona is more delegates, but it will help him. on the republican side this is