i think you could say maybe deng xiaoping was right. >> i would pushback at that.seems to me the party, if it had gone the other direction, actually, if the octogenarians , something down would have happened more like taiwan where you would've had the communist party have free speech, have elections that were manipulated, that it might actually win. >> except, i think, had that happened, i agree, but i don't think that could have happened given the fact that it wasn't simply deng xiaoping. he had a whole coterie of elder revolutionaries who would never have allowed that. orville.e with i want to ask something. partytioned the leninist has this -- i would put this tragic event in the long history of chinese political history, that china never tolerates dissent. opinions dissenting are the most crushed, always killed. not only family. all relatives. there is never a political --erance to the political not even mentioning the rebellions, so when the students and particularly citizens stopped the troops, that is a rebellion. that cannot be tolerated. it has to be absol

deng xiaoping only wanted economic reform and he got it.it is the worst form of economic dictatorship, with no political reform. >> what is the conversation today about tiananmen square? what is the conversation today about political reform? >> what is amazing is how young people in china today, do know very little about what happened. it has been so systematically removed from the world of information. many of them can go online and shop the firewalls. -- jump the firewalls. but there are technical steps you have to take. for some the obstacles are just large enough. what a striking is that those who are aware of it -- there are young people who aren't aware of it. sometimes they are completely unaware, but the truth is that even among those who went through it, there is a sense today that some of the same issues are present in the country today. corruption, which is so much on the minds of chinese leaders, was very much an ingredient in those protests, a sense of the government was not responding to people's complaints. what you see is th

brent schoolcraft immediately to tell deng xiaoping that he would always be his best friend no matter what. i think the chinese have to some extent disciplined us. understand, i could think of people in american political history who simply would not have submitted to that. >> just a couple of quick responses. with respect to the middle east, i am not sure -- not that i am not sure, what i'm saying was that human rights and democracy as a component were never at the forefront of our policy in the cold war. that was one of my points. we were always thinking of it in terms of this religious -- a big block of muslims over there and we wanted to move them as a block. we are not thinking about the relations between the muslims which have become much more apparent to us as major issues. then you have this other problem. i agree with you tom i do agree with you that we should have -- that our values, universal values, should be a significant component of our foreign policy. you run into her in this trade us in the middle east very quickly. our closest arab ally is saudi arabia. are we going

days, cultural revolution deng xiaoping at may say tongue's right hand was put out. 1976, he was put last days. the his he came back in and to credit he moved china towards openness, towards democracy, towards reform. see a reversal. and i don't think there's anybody in this country that can withr your question authority at this point. it doesn't work that way in dealing with china. other reports -- >> i don't know for sure on ourer and i've talked to ambassador on that. we can't another.ne way or >> you spoke of the need for the u.s. to maintain rests with china, but given the brutality can toughs ever return the business as usual regime?e current >> i don't want to see a total relationship. encourage a to the break. when you see these kids for democracy and freedom, this would be a bad the united states to withdraw and pull back and leave of ato the devices leadership that might decide to crack down further. suggested i take the am bass dr out. in my view that would be 180 degrees wrong. our ambassador provides one of the best listening posts we have is thoroughly experienced and t