please deny the appeal. thank you. >> thank you. >> next, speaker, please. >> betsy any and i am speaking as the president of the diamond heights association. prior to the meeting we submitted a letter to your board requesting that you deny the appeal. our board feels that the community out reach and the community plan that met with the community and provided so much opportunity for input we feel that that long and thorough process came up with a really good thought out plan. now diamond heights our western border is right at glen park. and our residents would greatly benefit from the renovations and the improvements. and so we do urge you as association to deny the appeal. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, next, speaker, please? >> good evening, my name is hugh (inaudible) i would like to say something that the project will except some of the park of the project. i mean the moving their tennis court and cut the trees. my point is to this project is substitution of the bad maintenance over this park. i

our privacy is denied, you know. we don't have no access. if somebody comes up, they'll say, he's not here, she's not there, right. okay. they should have a phone down in the lobby to call upstairs. we're denied our privacy to come up there. and they're very, very rude. you know, if you said -- i didn't have a bathroom. i have aids. i asked for a bathroom. my doctor wrote a thing for me to have a bathroom. [speaker not understood]. vertical, too. i'm denied a bathroom. it's very difficult in the building and it's very -- it's filthy. that's what it is. and the environment period is ugly. bathrooms, the shower heads, okay, i have got tb, right, and the shower heads don't have no shower heads in the bathroom. you know. it's just straight water. i'm like that, you know. it's off and on. and when they do do water construction thing, they don't post and say, hey, the water is going to be cut of

you can't just be denied liberty.our thoughts on that issue and how that can be used in the constitution? >> that's exactly right. and there is no state interest to deny our citizens and the plaintiffs in this case the fundamental right to marriage. you know, chris, often times we get lost a bit when we're talking about these things, talking about the politics and the law, but at the end of the day there are fundamental lives at stake. when we filed this case, chris and sandy and jeff and paul had been together for ten years. now they have been together for almost 12, over 13 years. chris and sandy's twin boys were just entering high school. when this case is heard, they will be getting ready to graduate from high school. their moms deserve the same freedom to marry just as everyone else has in this country. >> isn't it true that when we had this in the court in the ninth in the appellate level, nobody came forward because nobody could come up with what you call a justification, some compelling reason. just chat on th

deny the rehearing request. >> okay. >> we have a motion from the vice president, to deny the rehearing request. both rehearing request. on that motion, president hwang? >> aye. >> commissioner hurtado is absent. >> commissioner lazarus? >> aye. the vote is 3-0. the hearing is denied and the notices shall be released. thank you. >> all right so we are going to call the next item which is appeal 12-128. we are not going to start the hearing on that until commissioner hurtado is here. she should be here shortly. we will take a two-minute break. okay. >> thank you. >> we are back to the november 14th, board of the appeals. we are calling item number 5, appeal number 1 2-128. glikshtern verses the department of building inspection, at 70th elk street. protesting the issue ans on september 28, 2012 to recreation and park department to alter a building to make ada accessible. path of travel, rest rooms doors, drinking fountain and mechanical work to the site and rest rooms and drinking fountain including the concrete

you can't just be denied liberty.our thoughts on that issue and how that can be used in the constitution. >> that's exactly right. and there is no state interest to deny our citizens and the plaintiffs in this case the fundamental right to marriage. you know, chris, often times we get lost a bit when we're talking about these things, talking about the politics and the law, but at the end of the day there are fundamental lives at stake. when we filed this case, chris and sandy and jeff and paul had been together for ten years. now they have been together for almost 12, over 13 years. chris and sandy's twin boys were just entering high school. when this case is heard, they will be getting ready to graduate from high school. their moms deserve the same freedom to marry just as everyone else has in this country. and in this country we don't deny a certain portion of our citizens a fundamental right. we just don't. it's not american. >> isn't it true that when we had this in the court in the ninth in the appellate level, n

all she has to do is just deny it. so, believe me, i've been a target for seven years and i can't take it any more. this is the most frightening thing that's happened to me. i mean, it was scary enough to have a fire in the building and have an injury and then have this on top of it. anyway. i'm really frustrated. >> ms. shaw, very briefly, can you give us any inclination on what you're trying to do to correct anything here? >>> we're working on it. i'm working on it with mr. [speaker not understood]. we're getting a lot done. which met with the city attorney yesterday. it was a very productive meeting. and you know, we're getting actually quite a bit done. and, so, the fire damage building, a lot of the pud problems on that building are being corrected. * they were corrected over the years. i had a contested case. i lost over a million dollars because of that. it was a struggle. i mean it was one struggle after another. i had a lawyer, david [speaker not understood], little colorful. my bankruptcy attorney is now in j

he denies they have these weapons. and our intelligence -- >> he didn't deny it. >> he said if we have them. i think he -- >> no, he set up an if clause. that doesn't mean he is denying it. >> all right. >> hypothetical. >> i wouldn't rest all my strategy on his credibility. i do think the syrians are sending us a message, back off, because we do have this weaponry, and i think the president is sending a message back that we can play this game, talking about bringing the patriot missiles up to the border, putting our troops along there. this is psychological warfare right now. and the fact that the russians are backing away from their backing of assad is a very important development, which shows that there is possibly a diplomatic settlement to this. >> do you believe not only president, but mr. panetta, secretary of defense, actually is in the act saying there would be retaliation, do you believe that? and what would be the consequences of that? >> i think everybody believes that. and i think the deputy foreign minist

in this country, we don't deny our citizens a fundamental right. the supreme court has called marriage a fundamental right no less than 14 times in this country. i'm optimistic once the court hears this doma case they will come down on freedom and libberality as they have. >> elizabeth, i haven't seen you in a while. equal protection of the laws. >> if you are gay and alive in our time in america, we're living in a kind of a policy and civil rights renaissance. we have seen extraordinary leadership from other parts of government already. we -- don't we judge presidents by whether they stand tube the moment of history in which they live. we have seen president obama step up to this issue, gay marriage. >> "don't ask, don't tell" now saying he won't enforce doma. >> our military has stepped up. >> even the marines are doing a great job. >> even the marines are. now, we have to see, will the supreme court also keep pace in our time with the other major institutions. >> chad, you're the export. i supported it, my wife has for years. hrc, you have a hel

himself it was alleged by those he had accused and later died in prison some suspect having been denied medical treatment and possibly having been beaten to death tom thanks very much indeed for that reporting live there from central moscow. well just ahead for you this hour more revelations surface in a case which has been poisoned the ties between russia and the u.k. evidence emerges the former russian intelligence officer alexander litvinenko was in the pay of the british and spanish secret services before his murder six years ago. plus the border stag officially limits the level of law you can show your pet the venue and the legislation upsets the country's one hundred thousand open zoo files and another story after the short break. the san bernardino california police force was to shrink by eighty officers this year to cover their budget deficit during a local meeting the chief of police laid out the city's problems the sea is facing waves of gang violence theft and drug trafficking but with all the prisons completely overcrowded many of these criminals go right back on to the stre

the parolecommissioner talks about the decision to deny her parole. >> it was warm this morning and then temperatures began dropping this afternoon and the wind started picking up. >> how cold will it get, let's check in with wyatt everhart for a look at that. >> the temperature is going to drop tonight but it will be much colder by the tail end of the week. first, tonight, clear skies, just a few passing clouds. winds are gusting at 10 to 15 and higher. if you have trash collection many the morning, maybe put it out early in the morning and not tonight. hour by hour overnight we're clearing, still breezy and colder as we drop through the 30s. a crisp start above freezing in the morning. we'lltalk about the later week in a might be. >> out of laurel, a high school student has been arrested for making what's being called a credible threat. >> laurel police confirmed there was a threat at a high school. they're not confirming which one. they're saying a student claimed to have weapons and said they were going to hurt students. the student has been committed to a hospital for an emergency e

denis leary will be on the program, author of the new york, merry [bleep] christmas. am i reading that title correctly? iÑi can only assume it's a delightful romp to holiday cooking and decorating. leary loves crafting. speaking of christmas, you probably are aware by now our nation has been embroiled in a long, bitter war. >> the first salvo in the war on christmas >> the war on christmas jon: war on christmas! not to be confused with gwar on christmas. tremendous christmas album. for years now christmas has been under attack defended by the brave souls at fox news. are they still up to the task? that is the subject of tonight's "war on christmas, friendly fire" edition. let's face facts. the annual fox war on christmas has become a little predictable. basically imagine you can make one up like a make fox news mad libs. let's see. so let's see. let's try to do one of these. last week in... i need the name of some godless liberal bastion >> santa monica. jon: that will do. i mean fill in santa monica there and in santa monica a group of... give me the name of a small

ryan spent 10 years working to earn his award but was denied. his mother started an online petition drive to try to quinn the organization to reverse their -- to convince the organization to reverse their decision. >>> now to the royal baby news that is creating a buzz worldwide. the future king of england and his beautiful bride are expecting a prince or princess. the royal palace made the announcement this morning after the duchess was admitted to a london hospital with a severe bout of morning sickness. news comes a year and a half after they tied the knot. the office says the child will be behind prince william in the line of succession to the throne. >>> the rumor mills have been going overtime. congrats. >>> hello mike you are checking out what is going on outside. >>> definitely have sunshine, definitely drier weather another temporary break in our unsettled weather pattern more wet weather tuesday too wednesday, extended of dry weather after that. >>> a warning for anybody who drinks out of the tap. what researchers are finding in the wa

position is neither to confirm nor deny position of nuclear arms relatively few people have overall knowledge of these ready nuclear program and there are few leaks the last time an israeli insider leaked confidential information was way back in one nine hundred eighty six nuclear technician mordechai vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by israeli agents in italy and brought back to israel to face trial convicted and served eighteen years of jail time much of it in solitary confinement and that their operation went on for many years in israel successfully achieve the technology in the materials necessary to obtain the nuclear deterrence arsenal that it has today probably the fifth largest article in the world on the other side of the story aside from the leaked documents washington too is keeping quiet israeli nuclear capabilities are some of the most guarded secrets the u.s. government holds far more secret some would argue than information it has about iran but for the foreseeable future the book on israel's nuclear secrets is closed policy r.t. israel. well iran might have called t

one conference on a new free middle east israel denies it has nuclear weapons but refuses to provide proof that it doesn't always point to sleep or try to live the veil surrounding israel's atomic program. it's a story that has all the ingredients and in truth of a hollywood blockbuster nucleus nagging a hollywood producer and an israeli prime minister it's a story that here in tel aviv the authorities don't want to talk about but two israeli americans have put pen to paper it's probably be. best kept secret in the world on center stage as are known mulch and a hollywood producer and israeli undercover agent who is alleged to have smuggled nuclear triggers from the united states into israel a california engineer richard kelly smith says he was recruited by most in the early seventy's smith was later convicted in the united states of running an american front company to help move. the story first surface to be i files released at the end of last year and enjoys of goldman's tell all book confidential but this was a very limited operation in fact when the crown which is the hebrew acro

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>> today, we have the fake plan apparently senate republicans had and white house denying.h. interesting. >> what about the white house supposedly sending its own boiled down fiscal cliff bill to the hill? what's going on with that? you've got harry reid's incendiary comments on the floor today. >> it feels like we're at the beginning of the beginning of the end. >> right. i'll be back tomorrow to talk about it. >> jonathan capehart, thanks so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." craig melvin has a look at what's next. the pride of south carolina. craig, how are you doing, snir. >> good to see you as always. five days to go until the fiscal cliff deadline. john boehner holding a press conference. what might they be talking about? president obama returned to washington today after speaking with all four congressional leaders yesterday. we'll have a live update from the white house and from capitol hill. plus, congresswoman bass and congressman pascrell join me live and the decision to sign a controversial bill that bans americans from adopting ru

the doctor now works at a medical practice in north england and has denied any wrongdoing.ribunal will decide if he is fit to continue practicing medicine. >> and it almost spells down to its knees. the designer of the interactive maps showing where every bomb was dropped has been overwhelmed by popularity. >> they were the darkest days in a long history of london, when the hitler air force tried to bomb the city into surrender. the blitz. over 1 million houses were destroyed, as were many beloved landmarks. now this web site and what if there were 31,000 doctors at all. they can pinpoint exact locations. >> even if the war is so far away that it is hard to imagine, my generation, we're close enough for it to still be relevant and for people to be engaged and interested. >> the reason why this website is so popular is because it helps londoners like me to connect to the past in a personal way. i live here, my house is down there. i learned that a bomb fell about 100 yards from where now i live in the winter of 1941. it fell and destroyed the old 19th century houses and you

including denying them visas to come to our country. human rights do not end at the borders of russia and anyone who violates those standards as so many did so blatantly in the sais of sergei magnitsky should be held accountable. applying the magnitsky provisions globally as the senate bill approved by our committees did follows in the spirit of jackson-vanik. while inspired by events in the soviet union, was not limited to the soviet union. the senate foreign relations committee and the senate finance committee both voted unanimously to report a version of the magnitsky bill that applies its sanctions globally. senators cardin and kyl have worked on a bipartisan basis to build support for that global standard, and i strongly support their effort. i commend them on their effort. so why is it that the senate committee reported bill is not the bill before the senate? why would we deny visas only to russian human rights violators? why diminish the universality of the values that the magnitsky bill seeks to uphold? applying the sanctions co

that. >> you can deny reality, but the president has put on a very bold proposal.y important thing i would say is there's one way of cutting which is you just whack the system. take money out, make what you pay to doctors or hospitals less. that's going to be important to do. but the real interesting and important thing is to try to transform the system going forward so that we're not spending increases well beyond inflation or the growth in gdp. that's going to be the key. >> so part of the transformation here would be to allow medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices the same as veteran programs? >> that's one possibility. there are various ways you can bring drug prices down. >> what would it do? let's say it was similar to the veterans program. what would it do? how much money? >> i'm not exactly sure what you could get, but we know, for example, there's over $100 billion by getting payment for drugs from medicare beneficiaries who are eligible, poor beneficiaries who are eligible for medicaid to get them in the medicaid program instead of the part "d" pr

who then eagerly pass out bucks to any politician willing to take their side republicans who even denies science like the age of the earth if they think it will help them raise money from cash every televangelists and scam artists like ralph reed and other words by and large the democrats can't be bought but the republicans are perpetually for sale to the highest bidder and wall shelly adelson may think that stem cell research immigrant rights and socialized medicine are just fine things is first priority is covering his own butt so if at first you don't succeed bribe bribe again. washington post reports that adelson is flying to washington d.c. to meet with republican leaders in surprise hopes of changing the foreign corrupt practices act currently president obama's department of justice is investigating adelson for violating that act as it's been suggested he was bribing officials in china to get its casinos built in chinese controlled territory. which is of course probably why adelson spent so much money to defeat president obama because a republican romney administration would bring

ryan spent 10 years working to earn his award but was denied. his mother started an online petition drive to try to quinn the organization to reverse their -- to convince the organization to reverse their decision. >>> now to the royal baby news that is creating a buzz worldwide. the future king of england and his beautiful bride are expecting a prince or princess. the royal palace made the announcement this morning after the duchess was admitted to a london hospital with a severe bout of morning sickness. news comes a year and a half after they tied the knot. the office says the child will be behind prince william in the line of succession to the throne. >>> the rumor mills have been going overtime. congrats. >>> hello mike you are checking out what is going on outside. >>> definitely have sunshine, definitely drier weather another temporary break in our unsettled weather pattern more wet weather tuesday too wednesday, extended of dry weather after that. >>> a warning for anybody who drinks out of the tap. what researchers are finding in the wa

he denied it. but he said other things. he said to patrick vanderem that he was helped that night by a guy who was much older than he was. and that he would never, never ever give the name of that person. >> in the darkness of night, van der sloot said he left natalee with his friend and headed home. >> patrick, of course, wanted to know who was that guy. and at that moment, patrick was a little bit too pushy. and he said, who was it, joran? tell me, who it was? you can trust me. and then we could see that joran was a little bit uncomfortable, because of the fact that patrick was pushy and didn't stop with it. then he said, well, it was lowrey. and we could see at that moment that he made it up. >> de vries didn't believe that van der sloot was being truthful about his friend's identity, but the sting continued on. continued to talk about his involvement with natalee. >> as the conversation continued, for the very first time, van der sloot described what he says happened in the last moments of natalee holloway's life. >> va

they ain't doing nothing still going in a circle, denied, denied. >> sean: heartbreaking. what president obama, mayor bloomberg and governor cuomo run around patting each other on the back, these people are suffering, no one from the federal, state or local government seems to care. president obama showed a lot of concern for the victims before election day. where is the concern from the administration now? we continue with speaker gingrich. some people still don't have power. a lot of people lost their home, everything. so many people have been conditioned mr. speaker to put their faith, their hope, their trust in government. can we learn anything from here? >> you can learn two things. first of all, if the federal government can't do any better than this with sandy what is it going to do with obamacare? how comfortable are you that the same bureaucracy that can't deliver help in staten island is going to supervise your heart operation or cancer treatment this is what i talked in the last segment. house republicans should beholding hearings. they should look at katrina, l

. >> i think i would move to deny the appeal. i have been pretty well convinced this tree has issues and there is a risk in leaving it up. and as i think i said on the first hearing on the tree, it's nobody's favorite chore to get rid of a beautiful tree, but i think it presents a danger to the public and there is a reasonable plan for replaying it. so i would move to deny. >> would that be on the basis of the dpw order which reflects those issues? >> yes? >> okay. so that motion is made by commissioner lazarus to deny the appeal and uphold the permit. on the basis of the dpw order. vice president fung? >> aye. >> president hwang? >> aye. >> commissioner hurtado? >> aye. >> and commissioner honda? >> aye. >> that motion carries and the permit is upheld. thank you. >> i would like to call item no. 6 and i want to make sure that thetern for the appellant in that case is in the room. could you raise your hand if you are here, mr. girardi? excellent, just walked into the room. appeal no. 12-085, cambon connoisseur cooperative, inc. v

the country's strict anti- abortion laws sparked by the death of a woman in october after doctors denied her request to abort her dying fetus. the husband is convinced she would still be alive had the doctors terminated her pregnancy in time. the case has turned the spotlight on an issue which is seldom discussed publicly in the catholic country. irish women have taken to the streets demanding the laws be changed. >> not the church, not the state, women will decide their fate. >> never before have the irish people campaigned so hard for the right to abortion. they are calling for the church and state to stay out of issues related to their bodies. this woman's face can be seen all over posters here. campaigners say what happened to her must never happen again. they are fighting against ireland's strict anti-abortion laws, which they say scared doctors out of giving her an abortion. >> i feel it is a very important issue for women and we're treated as second-class citizens in our country. i feel it is my body and my business and not the business of anybody inside that building to tell me w

and the park is not over allowing and or denying applications it's similarly providing informational hearing i believe when we decide to use a proposition of our park a public venue the public should be able to express their concerns or may have ideas about how events can be samed and setup and this will allow that to happen and we also have at times like we did for the detour event, closuresures of streets and we also want to have for whatever park events include any street colorsures that it has got -- it will be part of any hearing commission. and so as we move forward with this ordinance in place that we will have a public process to hear about large scale hearing process.. >> supervisor kim requested to be rereferred. >> thank you i also want to end this meeting in the memory of sergeant -- at the age of 44 passed away of a sudden heart attack and he has been with the fraction police station with the last 44 years and he started why 1998 and at the southern station and baby station ask is also a former army range gear injury and worked everyday possible in the tender loin area a

brown: -- to deny favorable trade sto status. it proved that trade can be an instrument for improving human rights in the rule of law. pntr now includes the important magnitsky rule of law. i commend senator cardin for his leadership on this issue, on this important amendment. as the administration looks ahead to trade initiatives like ptt, congress can take steps now, new steps, to ensure the benefits of expanded trade workh workers. several colleagues and i have proposed legislation updating our objectives on labor, on the environment, on import safety and to restore congressional oversight to future trade negotiations, to agreements and especially to their enforcement. it is time we practiced trade so that it achieves real results for middle-class families in promoting job creation. mr. president, while russia pntr represents a positive step forward, we must build on this step to ensure that over the long-term promises made are promises kept. i thank the chair. the presiding officer: the senator from arizona. mr. kyl: thank yo

proposals to deny the opportunity to bring your family with you if you do it the right way. it's been tough. republicans, i heard the piece where representative labrador said democrats are two years to do something. we passed the dream act in the u.s. house of representatives. the senate had more than a majority vote. because republicans used the filibuster, we couldn't get the bill to the president for his signature. so democrats have done things. we're ready to do them again. we'll do them bipartisanly. >> great to have you on the show tonight. thanks so much. >>> coming up, bo obama's christmas video. it's making the rounds. how does it compare to his predecessor's? we'll check the tapes, stay tuned. yep. the longer you stay with us, the more you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even reward you for the time you spent there. genius. yeah, genius. you guys must have your own loyalty program, right? well, we have something. show her, tom. huh? you should see november! oh, yeah? giving you more. now that's progressive. call or click today. side by side

denies aid to storm victims." this is the picture. >> the senator speaks wednesday at a sub committee on capitol hill expressing sadness and disbelief that fema denied the state's request for individual assistance for residents affected by superstorm sandy. also in attended was another senator who pointed out why the state was spared 30 inches of snow still fell and areas around the crab capitol were destroyed by flooding. >> if you live in parts of maryland you are suffering as much as any community in this storm. >> both the governor and fema director have pledged to appeal the denial, has expressed outrage saying "i cannot remember a public policy decision that more deeply grieves me than the denial of individual assistance aid to families, homes, easy businesses. as one of maryland's poorest counties they need the help that these funds will provide." fema will still provide funds to the state that will help repair public structures such as roads. back on capitol hill the direct irseemed to be open to giving th

on that motion to deny the request president hwang, aye. commissioner hurtado, aye.that is passed and notice ofa decision will b┘:z(5 issued tomorrow. thanky,9khó you. item 4(b) is another rehearing request at 498 hoffman avenue a letter from2b:y allen sowle appellants requesting rehearing of appeal 12-117 decided november 7, 2012. at that time the board voted"8btw iho 2-1-2 vice president fung dissented commissioner hurtado absent on the basis that there was no error or -- three out of four votes required to be overturn a modified action whenéd!elc"p% a vacancy exists letter ofy determination was upheld by law. the regarding the legal dwelling unit. my understanding commissioners hurtado and honda have reviewed the video there for this hearing and are >> that's correct. >> good evening. my name is alan sowle. we're here because extraordinarybb:z<éf";f circumstances

so i would vote to deny the appeal. >> question? >> so, i would move to deny the appeal, based on the dpw's finding that this was not like food. >> we have a motion then from commissioner hurtado to deny this appeal and to up hold this permit on the basis that the sale of espresso is not like food. >> on that motion, vice president fung. >> no. >> president hwang of >> aye. >> and commissioner lazarus? >> no. >> the vote is two to two, the motion does fail, however, because three votes are needed to over turn or modify any departmental action, this permit would be upheld by default unless there is another motion. >> okay. no further motion, then we are done with this item. >> permit upheld. >> thank you. >> so commissioners, the last item... if i could ask the folks to please clear the room, we have additional business to attend to this evening. thank you so much and thank you for your patience throughout this evening. the last item on your calendar is the board consideration and possible adoption of your annual report for the fisca

. >> we cannot continue it, so what you're asking us to do is deny it, and to separate these permits and deny the extended hours and approve the place of entertainment and i'm not likely to want to do that because -- upeder -- under the code, we cannot continue for more than 45 days. >> does the applicant have the ability to delay it further than that time period? >> i'm sure the applicant does. you're going to put that pressure on him? okay. >> as far as options, and granted it's the commission that makes the final call on that. >> but in reading his application, it seems to me that after hours for this particular business and this particular place seems part of his business plan, part of his -- of what he's doing, so we've gone back and forth with after hours before. i tend to agree with commissioner hyde that staggered closings make more sense in general in most neighborhoods but in business plans that require after hours, it's part of their business plan, to tell them they can't have that part of the business plan tells them they shouldn't succeed and i don't think i'm willing to