interviewed by denis mcdon ag, former white house chief of staff. >> we knew there was a world of state and state --. today if you think about north korea or iran or china and russia, the world of state-to-state relations is very, very important. i think of it as the chess board world because it is the world of how do we essentially beat oured a versares and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they are going to make. that world is there and it is very important, but equally important is what i call the world of the web. that world of criminal networks ncluding terrorists and arms trafficers and drug trafficers. the world of business, which is increasingly big network supply changes, global corporations and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all of those actors as web actors and increasingly important actors but we don't have strategy for how to bring them together. >> watch afterwards sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span 2's book tv. there are house today voted to move forward with a bill to replace the dodd-frank financial regulations. th