. >> my name is denis mcdonough. i am and information consultants -- my name is dennis mcdonald. hooves responsibility is it for paying for transparency -- whose responsibility is it for paying for transparency? there is an addition of costs for what individual agencies do. in these days of restricted budgets, i would think there is going to be significant conflict between systems for improving transparency and not expending money on systems for improving transparency. >> i think that is exactly right. that is a big problem. one directive we have not mentioned that came out this year from the president and the white house has to do with a directive for agencies to get all of their electronic records. it takes money. these directives do not have any money that goes with them. congress does not want to give them any money. i do not think it is realistic to think there is any money coming in the short term and potentially the long term. you need to rearrange your priorities. this is a problem. it is also a problem how we work on our budget cycles. you are talking about longer- term