amy: ♪♪ [music break] denis pilash, you been fiercely critical of russian oligarchs.have also talked about the involvement of the ukrainian elite. if you can talk about who they are and their significance today and if you're views have changed? >> actually, the russian and ukrainian elites,ligarch capitalist, they came from the same source so they were the result of the capitist in t 1990's. mostly criminal manner, the richest of the countries and actuallydevastated their own citizens, to become part of the global ruling class, slight differences is, obviously, in russia, the presence of security services people a also more bureaucric layers. it is stronger but still preserving the interest of russian catal. in the case of ukraine, you have competing oligarchs that tried not just to control the economy but also to influence and contro political decisions in the country and who are still playing the same and also have shown their concept toward their own citizens -- not jusby man ofhem had lead prior to the invasion -- fleed prior to the invasion, but they continue thi