denise blasvick is sticking around and ben par, co-founder of dominic fund an early stage venture fund and author of the book "captivology, the science of capturing people's attention." good to see you, ben. >> thank you for having me again. >> all right, let's just dive right back in. the first one is about being a manager. >> how do you build a strong management team when you, yourself, are not a great or experienced manager? >> i love this question. because it is the problem, the key problem in so many startups, so let's start with you, denise. >> it is a key problem and so many people don't realize the value of having one and don't get to the point where they need one. i commend this gentleman for saying i need to do this. so where do you go from there? to me the biggest thing whether or not you use a recruiting tea whether or not you use a recruiting team or do things on your own or do kind of boot strap, you want to make sure you get the right people first time out. if you get the wrong people in as management team first time around, the rest of the company will wonder and you wi