what if they norway the offer or they denmark the offer? what if they finland the offer. >> the vision heads to zero. stocks are treated from record levels, but the dow is still just inches away from 17,000, even though it's numbers. do you know how that works? >> no. >> that's a mixed metaphor that doesn't work for me. so are stock he moving in lock step or are individual means a bet right now? joining us w is tienberg, president and ceo and david joy, chief market strategist at am e ameriprize financial. when everyone is talking about the stock market and our ratings are hitting the stratosphere, many times that's what there's consternation, fear. it's so quiet and nobody seems to be watching quickly. does this portend that something is going to happen soon and do we want that to happen? >> well, you know, the focus on 17,000, joe, for the dow is certainly a psychological factor. it has a valuation guide. it's hard 20 justify at these levels, the dow trading at 15 times this year's earnings and 14 sometimes next year's earn g earnings investors are going to h