and i think at the time to prevent the nato membership of ukraine in georgia because the dennis bush administration wanted them to be member and this was about georgia less and then you know, ukraine, but wanted them to give them membership right away. and this was basically the, the, the compromised formula that they all could agree on, on, on, on the final communicate. but it was intended to basically postpone ukraine your membership. let me um, ask you um, maureen, their president lucas, shank lucas shanker. has called the strength ending of nato's eastern flank. the greatest ever threat for of global conflict. should nato hear those words? should nato actually try to kind of damp down any actions that could heighten tensions with a, with pressure with lucas echo if it's never help before? why it's going to work this time? can i ask a question? what you, what to do? i mean, what's with this guy do, which basically really destabilize will, threatens nato. he doesn't have the armed forces. he has nothing at this is disposal to really create a kind of security threats to the lines ex

bush administration. he's now a professor at princeton university. denniserved in democratic and republican administrations as a middle east peace envoy. he is a counselor at the washington institute for near east policy. thank you both. you have long argued that the u.s. should revisit the issue of aid to israel. why? >> israel is a mature country with a mature economy. stronger than japan. it does not need the u.s. military assistance. and this has nothing to do with the current crisis in israel. it is not punitive. it's a way to make the relationship sound and on much better footing than it currently is. when i argued for is to substitute for the military assistance to agreements between our countries. one that would effectively give israel access to american technology in access to israeli technology, and to set up a joint mechanism so we can build technology together. that would be a far better way than the dependency relationship we have established over the years. william: daniel, would you like to see that happen immediately? >> no, that's not reali

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