dennis hoffman says it could loosen restrictions on the workforce and be good for business and that inurn would promote economic growth here in arizona and here in the rest of the country. dennis kelly, good to have you here, thank you so much. >> great to have you here great for being in phoenix. >> it is an epicenter of discussion around immigration reform. means different things to different people. >> it does. i'm an arizonan, it's a very big deal to me, to arizona. i've seen what low skilled, medium skilled, high skilled immigrants can do to the economy. arizona was certainly the beneficiary of a tremendous injection of labor over the years which right now is not legal. it's never been legal per se. we are aggressively enforcing our immigrant laws and i think it's holding the state back, i really do. >> let's see we found what many citizens felt was a pathway to citizenship. wouldn't that put more people into the workforce and make it did yotougher for everyone? >> what we fount in arizona, our immigrant workforce is sum of the most contributing individuals in the entire workforce

. >> dennis hoffman is director of the william sideman research institute, the william carey institute. >> great to be here. >> you could easily hire you instead of being job seekers many as he said have become job creators in america. >> when i decide to do the business coming to the business, i knew the risks. i knew the problems. >> more on these undocumented entrepreneurs coming up. and later without immigrants in america we would all pay the price. i will tell you one specific way it will cost you, and more. that as ree "real money" contins from phoenix. keep it here. people of our time. >> everywhere i go there they are wanting to tell dr. jane what their doing... >> the inspirational dr. jane goodall talks to john seganthaller >> i started with a notebook, and a pair of secondhand binoculars. which was all i could afford... >> and reveals the remarkable human nature of chimpanzees. >> they have a dark side, and that made them more like us than i had thought before. talk to al jazeera only on al jazeera america >> we've all heard harrowing stories of immigrants who risk their liv

dennis hoffman said the benefits of that reform would far outstrip the costs. he said it could loosen restrictions on the workforce and be good for business and promote economic growth here in arizona and elsewhere in the country. dennis is a professor of economics at arizona state university. good to have you here. thank you so much. >> great to be here, and thank you for coming to phoenix. >> it is the epicenter of this discussion around immigration reform, and i think if you found people on both sides of the issue, they would all agree that we need reform. >> i'm an arizonan, it means a big deal to me, arizona. i've seen what low-skill, medium-skilled, hi-skilled immigrants can do to the economies. the arizona economy was beneficiary of tremendous injection of labor over the years that right now is not legal. it's never been legal, per se but we're endorsing workers laws. >> if you didn't enforce that, or for instance, let's say that many politicians call the pathway to citizenship, and these undocumented workers became documented workers, wouldn't that just

. >> i had a conversation with dennis hoffman who said some of those workers, the hostility in arizona caused them to go to texas, and texas has been fairly welcoming to them. >> a lot of them actually went back to mexico. some of them went to texas, probably some of them went to other places. but that's a small part of the overall economy and a small part between the linkage between mexico and arizona and mexico and the southern border states. it's not just about immigration. it's about trade and it's also about having good by, bi-national economies that have the infrastructure needed for border crossing northbound and southbound. >> national investment goes into infrastructure and business, and foreign direct investment. are we still seeing that on the mexico-u.s. border in a fashion that we have seen for decades on the u.s.-canadian border, for instance. >> i think what's happening at this point is a lot of focus went into the border states on the mexican side of the border. but what is happening in mexico is you've got a better quality of skilled workforce in central mexico that's

. >> i had a conversation with dennis hoffman who said some of those workers, the hostility in arizona caused them to go to texas, and texas has been fairly welcoming to them. >> a lot of them actually went back to mexico. some of them went to texas, probably some of them went to other places. but that's a small part of the overall economy and a small part between the linkage between mexico and arizona and mexico and the southern border states. it's not just about immigration. it's about trade and it's also about having good by,bi-national economies that have the infrastructure needed for border crossing northbound and southbound. >> national investment goes into infrastructure and business, and foreign direct investment. are we still seeing that on the mexico-u.s. border in a fashion that we have seen for decades on the u.s.-canadian border, for instance. >> i think what's happening at this point is a lot of focus went into the border states on the mexican side of the border. but what is happening in mexico is you've got a better quality of skilled workforce in central mexico that's b