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haidi: let us a spring in the former atlanta fed president dennis lockhart. is good to have you on the day after fed day -- it is good to have you on the day after fed day. jerome powell hit the nail on the head when he said we just do not know. >> i think chair powell stuck to the narrative that we have been hearing for some time, both in terms of the direction of the economy as well as the direction of policy. no real new ground was broken in this meeting. there was not a strong hawkish pivot, although there was the migration of some of the dots in the summary of economic projections. more in the direction of three, very strong consensus now of three great cuts this year. haidi: three cuts on the dot plot, does that seem dovish given the revisions we have seen to unemployment? >> i think -- most of the members of the committee are staying with their views going into this meeting and that is that the number of cuts would either be three or two. what was interesting in looking at the dots is that there are four people in december who actually had uppercuts an

here for his reaction is dennis lockhart. good to have you back with us. i don't see much in the statement or the action, which is a nonaction, to suggest that the fed is becoming more hawkish. i would like to get your reaction to that, but i do sense they are just becoming more patient, which is not necessarily a bad thing. >> i think your conclusion is correct. i would say, however, if you look at the dots plots, you do see some movement in the dots. there were, i think, four at four dots, four moves, and all but one have moved into the three category. the consensus is pretty tight around three moves this year, and i think that is a take away that the consensus has tightened. >> what about the big boost to the gdp forecast, 2.1% from 1.4%? what do you make of that, and is that sort of the fed setting themselves up for saying, look, the economy is getting stronger. that's why we have these three cuts planned. >> i think they are recognizing that the underlying demand in the economy, the underlying strength is pretty robust, and that is why i think they ar

as we await the fed chair's testimony, let's bring in former fed president dennis lockhart and talk about yesterday, if you don't mind, some of the reaction to a testimony that i think it was bofa argued could have been more hawkish, wasn't dovish. a lot of cases being made that june remains a reasonable time for a first cut, maybe, of course, pce gets in the 2.5 range. your thoughts? >> carl, sounds pretty good to me. i think your analysis is a good one. i think the signaling was very consistent with fed speak for the last two or three months. basic message is yes, some time this year, but we're in no hurry, and we're not going to be rushed into a decision. you know, more data equals more confidence. so that's what i thought i heard, and june is certainly on the table, i think, as a reasonable time, but kit could e later. >> he made two points. one is goods prices have come down, gone negative, made a point to say housing services and new leases are softening a bit. clearly wants more on that front, right? >> yes. yesterday, i believe it was on this program, mark zandi made, i thought, a