retiring after 25 years as the ceo of duke energy, one of america's biggest energy providers and dennis o'briencan recovery is the energy story. tell us from your perspective how big is that story? of shale, of natural gas, of oil, all of these things. i think everyone was expecting a technological revolution in energy and they all expected it to be wind and solar and there was a technological revolution in energy but in extraction of hydrocarbons, correct? >> correct. shell gas is probably the most transformative innovation that occurred in this country in over a decade. as lloyd said, it's been a ta tailwind to the economy but in terms of achieving environmental goals, we're in 1993, 1992 level of co2 emissions in this country but we have significantly more people and a much larger economy. so i think that it's been transformative both in driving our economy but transforming in meeting our environmental objectives as far as climate change is concerned. >> that was jim rogers, chairman of duke energy. i asked my panelists about income inequality. a hot topic not only in america but around the

along with blankfein is jim rogers who is retiring from duke energy and dennis o'brien, the owner oficell. listen in. one piece of the american recovery, jim, has been the energy story. tell us from your perspective how big is that story, you know, of shale, of natural gas, of oil. i think everyone was expecting a technological revolution in energy, and they all expected it would be wind and solar, and there was a technological revolution in energy, but it was in the extraction of hydrocarbons, direct? >> that's correct. shell gas is probably the most transformative innovation that's occurred in this country in over a decade. it's been a great -- i mean, it's been, as lloyd said a tailwind to the economy, but also in terms of achieving our environmental goals, we're in the 1993 -- '92-'93 level of co2 emissions in this country, and yet we have significantly more people and a much larger economy. so i think that it's been transformative both in driving our economy but transformative in meeting our environmental objectives, at least as far as climate change is concerned. >> that was ji