and he was going to be their expert in the occult. >> dennis riordan is damien's attorney. >> this isan who has a ph.d. from a diploma mill in california parading as an expert in this field when the fbi has looked at this and said this whole satanic thing is utterly unfounded. >> griffiths pointed out that the killings took place over a full moon and that practitioners of satanism wore black. >> i just wore what i liked and the black clothes happened to be what i liked. >> listening to heavy metal, wearing black clothing. >> reading steven king books. >> none of these are crimes. >> they thought they were. to them it may have not been a crime but they were indicators of the type of person who would commit a crime. >> when you say that, i'm sort of detecting a bit of bitterness. >> there is a little. i try not to be. >> but his bitterness was apparent during the trial. and it cost him. damien didn't exactly help himself on the stand, did he? >> no. no. damien was conceited, arrogant, and he fell into something that is very adolescent. >> you know, when i was a teenager, i really was a