franchise is being outsourced to bill clinton, to richardson to mitchell, to biden, to -- i mean to dennis rossto who wihol. she is losing the whole franchise. let me say one thing. i don't think she lost the franchise and effective as secretary of state, unfortunately because of a lot of issues tangled up, we didn't see a lot what she achieved on the africa trip. she continues to be a strong advocate, she commands the public stage, not just here but around the world. she has respect of somebody of a senior statesman and he is suspect that is what she will keep doing. >> mike, did you find it strange that yesterday, they scheduled a news conference and meeting with the colombian foreign minister exactly at the time that bill clinton was in the white house in the situation room and the oval office, having his meeting with joe biden, the president, of course, the national security team? i understand the reason to keep those meetings separate and try to keep those roles separate, but the secretary of state would normally have been there? >> first of all, i don't think that was planned by the presi