that -- who killed kathy heckle, if indeed she was killed. >> the defense argued the guitar man, dennis tayloro had a unfair with taylor. >> -- the afternoon kathy heckle went missing. >> they went to check his alibi out, 13 months later. not right away, and when they go there, a lot of videos to write in to show that he was golfing. the pages are missing. >> of course, -- could've also provided your husband. >> weeks after kathy disappeared, the defense noted, john heckle discarded some of her personal items. >> her husband throws away her purse, her wallet, her photo i.d.. it isn't that he throws it in a garbage can, in front of his house, it's in a dumpster in the back of the reserve base. >> you're saying he wanted to conceal that? >> the more lodging go conclusion is there. >> the john heckle have something to hide? the defense didn't offer an answer for that, and john hackles says he doesn't remember much about those days. >> i don't rip collect doing anything like that. >> the defense suggested that kathy heckle may not have died on july 15th, 1991. did you really think she lived that d