. >> host: dennis van roekel is the outgoing president of the national education association. that's the nation's largest teachers union and has made plenty of headlines after calling for education secretary arne duncan to step down. dennis van roekel wyatt is on a dunk and need to step down? >> guest: i think the real story is not new but why and educators across this country are so frustrated. they are frustrated with billion-dollar high-stakes testw taking 30% of all the teaching time with students. they are frustrated with 12 years of no child left behind all due to testing, a failed accountability system that is not close the gap and is creating a greater inequity than ever before and they are frustrated with a whole new onslaught of teacher evaluations where 70% of teachers are evaluated on test scores of students they don't teach. i think that's welling think that's willing up and they are looking for leadership to say we are going in the wrong direction and we should change this. >> host: you talk about years of frustration. what was the tipping point for this but that

dennis van roekel, would i does arne duncan need to step down? >> i think the question here, the real story is not who but why. educators across this country are so frustrated. they're frustrated with a billion dollar high stakes testing industry that is now taking 30% of all their teaching time with students. they're frustrated with 12 years of no child left behind, all of the testing, a failed accountability system that has not closed the gaps and has created greater inequity than ever before, and they're frustrated with the whole new onslaught of teacher evaluation where 70% of teachers are evaluated on test scores of students they don't teach. i think that's welling up and they're looking for leadership to say we're going in the right direction or the wrong direction. we need to change this. >> you talk about years of frustration. what was the tipping point for this vote that happened in the past week at one of the nea's meeting? >> i think the california case. >> if you could explain that case. >> it's a case where some students brought fort