but, one year, bill clinton -- denson -- in with the motorcade and i said, i hope they have tickets because i do not have their names and i cannot see them. it turns out they did. they had been at the white house in overcoming with him. things like that can happen but they usually even out. >> you have been working this dinner since 19 93, 3 different president spirit are there different styles for each one? dinner the motorcade and i said, i hope they have tickets because i do not have their names and i cannot see them. it turns out they did. they had been at the white house in overcoming with him. or for the presidents in general? >> in your role -- >> as far as my board and the ,ournal, the journalists to end hisush tended days it did earlier. earlier than president obama. a real -- for me, at my age -- by younger crew of people to deal with at the white house. they are great. they are very energetic. thiswhen it comes to dinner, they keep you on your toes. [laughter] >> we are you doing a dinner? are you seated? never, no. i him in the cabinet room when the reception is with our board.