we're back with denver riggleman, full of surprises today, and claire mccaskill. for me. where is doj? >> well, right now, i think, with the amount of data they have, i think they're looking through every single link and every single individual or group that might have something to with january 6th. i don't want to talk about or try to guess what doj or fbi are doing right now, but i think what the doj are also looking at, i don't know all the data, but i know a lot of the data i did, if they are looking at the links and the people are involved, they are looking at the second, third, and fourth layer behind the president. the president is the why and the how, you look at the transcript and what i think is the most damning piece of testimony in the whole year and a half is really cassidy hutchinson talking about removing the mags. i think, nicolle, that is, for me that's the thing, as somebody who has been in counterterrorism for so long, that's an eye-opener, right? that's an eye-popper. i think they are looking at those sort of centers of gravity. there's critical

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led enough of these people into the conference didn't object when they defeated for instance denver riggleman in virginia and now they're coming after him? >> i think he's empowered too many of them or they feel empowered anyway. in my advice to these republican speakers from boehner to ryan, my advice to be look, you have to marginalize these figures. if that means going to the democrats and say we need votes on a particular bill, maybe in this case for the speaker, cut a deal with the democrats. that might be the only way out if they can't get 218 republican votes for the speaker. but that's the way you deal with that. you have to marginalize them and republicans need to basically make agreements with the democrats until the democrats won't make agreements with them anymore. that's how you deal with them. you don't keep moving the conference to the right. take care of them to pass bills they know have no chance of passing a senate controlled by democrats or republicans for that matter. so i don't understand why they continue this game of appeasement of these rejectionist members who really

one up before you go with one from your fellow former republican colleague and fellow veteran denver riggleman i'm a fan of his. >> we all are. that's why he's here. he said if he worked in counter-terrorism and you can't negotiate with terrorists. so what do you say to that military metaphor? >> i feel that way. we were talking about today hostage takers have a goal. and they have demands. we met those demands and still they can't get the yes. they refuse to get to yes. they've been offering everything but one demand we've not gone to. so this is more like terrorism. and you're right. i think denver is right with that. this is bologna. you're derailing the conservative agenda. that is going to have some um pact over time. we're already seeing the outcry of people saying, hey this is wrong what they're doing. and i hear it. i'm hearing it in our district. i hear oint talk shows. i hear you from the the conservative commentators. over time we could have some success here by just putting the spotlight on him. >> all right, don bacon from nebraska, thank you. eight failed votes. a ninth is under