she's from denville, new jersey. sunday school. her son and husband are traveling so she's having a girl's weekend with her daughter. she says she needs a little pick me up. she hasn't had her haircut professionally in almost a year and she's been cutting it herself. okay, let's hear her story. >> p.j., that jumping was something else. still jumping. you're excited. >> very much so. this is the second time i've tried. six years ago, and i didn't get picked, but i got picked today. >> i know you're super excited. >> i'm so excited. she totally deserves this. she's the best mom ever. >> how sweet is that? >> she is here with that very same girl, that is tina right over there. let's take one last look at p.j. miller before and bring the new p.j. out. come on. >> wow. oh, wow! yeah! >> tina, take a deep breath and do it. >> okay. >> okay. >> oh, my gosh! so pretty! don't cry, you're going to ruin >> we've got kleenex if you need it. just dab, don't wipe. you want to look at yourself, t.j.? >> do i? >> yes, you do. >> who is she? >> we'

bob in denville, new jersey, new jersey you are the first caller. >> caller: high. i am enjoying the conversation very much. the interests open in that doctor williams brought up madison, i am wondering if he is familiar with richard's book, plain honest man? >> guest: know, i am not. >> caller: and it he describes the shift from the principle of federalism for one of our supreme court government. i guess general washington's troops that were threatening to march in philadelphia, for lack of payment. over time there became a never and understanding that stronger centralized government really was critical to our nation's survival. hamilton felt that way, morris felt that way, others felt that way, and that it really constitutionally is not an issue black-and-white because there has to be a partnership between the federal government as well as the states. that remains today. i'm not arguing about principles of conservativism. i'm asking you, do you recognize the need on a continual basis for a public, private partnership between the centralized federal government as w