it's not just the department of fenton defense, not even the department of justice's homeland security it's veterans affairs, it's health and human services there are some aspects may talk about how you go to undermine causes of extremism behavior and ideology and if you're going to go after those it takes a whole of government approach. not just the federal government. federal government working with state, local and tribal government also work with international partners. while we are talking about domestic terrorism and extremism that is originating homegrown here we are beginning to see trans- national affiliation but i think about the rising white right wing fashion in germany and austria to name just two countries in europe. it's the whole of government approach that is certainly been the focus of the divided administration it's also the focus of congress. >> thank you for mentioning that, the white house strategy is so important here it's a really good thing for us to end on print a question for both of you is, the white house strategy past the policy counsel led by ambassador s

the resources are important for department of defense. in a broader context we need to have either a reallocation of some sources or additional resources that goes to the department of education. it goes to hhs or mental health issues. it can come in the form of grants that go into the state for the nonprofit organizations that are out there that are trying to elevate this issue and root out the causes. we really need to be thinking about that as well. >> if i may add one other important area with our veterans. >> absolutely. i've seen numbers from 16% to 20%. they're all veterans. we need to resource the department of veterans affairs. the attraction of these extremist organizations to give veterans who have lift the military, the structure, the purpose. they see in extremist organizations that sort of like substitute community. we got to stay engaged with our veterans. keep them involved and i think that will go a long way as well to ensure those men and women get those in the military are not to be the target of recruitment by the extre

it's not just the department of defense. not even just the department of justice. it's homeland security, it's veterans affairs. quite frankly, it's health and human services. there are aspects when you talk about how do you go to underlying causes of extremism, behavior and ideology, and if you are going to go after those, it takes a whole of government approach, not just the federal government. the federal government working with state, local and tribal governments, working also with international partners. while we are talking about domestic terrorism and extremism, that's originating and homegrown here, we are seeing transnational affiliations. think about the rising right wing factions in germany and austria to name just two countries in europe. it's a whole of government approach. and that's certainly been the focus of the biden administration and it is also the focus of congress. >> thank you for mentioning that. the white house strategy is so important here, i think a really good thing for us to end on. question for both of you is, that white house strategy

department of defense must adapt to a new set of priorities and constraints and that brings us to today's events. general recently released the book title ever shrinking fighting force which recognizes that despite recompense spending, the u.s. department of defense is getting less return on investment than in the past. the pentagon must transform process down by bureaucracy or trail behind especially -- especially competitors like china translates economic successes into military power, we just saw a test from a hypersonic missile from china yesterday that surprise a lot of people the community. this change is especially important for decision-makers map up the next allergy and determine how to reform rate of performance and greater affordability. u.s. seeks to maintain competitive ads in the decades to come defenses on the advantage national defense strategy continuing to release analyses to help chart the way forward for the department efforts and that is the concept of today. i'm delighted to introduce the worst speakers and moderator. our speakers happen to be part of our atlantic fa

often and especially in the department of defense, one of the problems has been the procurement and acquisition practices of the department. they have been convoluted, poorly communicated and burdened with inertia that makes partnering with private industry far too difficult. as america confronts threats around the globe that are evolving, as i said, at unprecedented speeds, we must find a better way to identify defense needs, communicate them and deliver them in a timely manner. there are several areas that if transformed could allow d.o.d. to more effectively do this. the fiscal year 2022 ndaa makes important process by establishing an independent commission to review and assess the planning, programming, budgeting, and execution or ppbe process and identify areas of reform. the ppbe process has for many decades, since the 1960's, given d.o.d. leaders a way to evaluate the resources they need and to deliver those to the troops. however, as i mentioned consistently, it's a bit of a relic of the industrial age. it came in under robert mcin a march are a in 1961 -- robert mcnamara, the chief exe

s. department of defense has announced a new u. f o task force. the new group comes after the intelligence community admitted there was a series of unexplained aerial phenomena sightings by the military earlier this year. and that's checking now with patrick hall and she joins us from washington. d . c. patty, it does seem like the government's taking these u. f. o sightings very seriously. is that potentially a defense component potentially and that's what the department of defense is saying is that they need to make sure the airspace is safe. so this all goes back to those videos. we've seen most of them take you by military pilots, had a grainy on their radar and you see these objects far from the distance, weirdly shaped fly in ways that don't seem possible that it speeds it don't seem possible. so back in june, the department of defense released some of those videos and said they were to come up with the task force to look into this because they looked into what i'd identified fire objects and came back out and said yes, still identified. we d

and get more bang for our buck in the department of defense. >> general, you lay out a number of, as, a number of alarming facts in your work on this. and one of them i found to be compelling is that you say that with combining the cost of active duty military, combined with civilians and contractors, d.o.d. spends 70% of its budget on personnel, spent 77% on base personnel in fy 16. and i think that gets to a lot of the trouble that d.o.d. has had in turning out new technologies, and making sure the development of those technologies doesn't take years and years. and a huge amount of money. my question for you is just -- [inaudible] excuse me. having served in the leadership of the white house, and the pentagon, why do you think this is -- they were strong bipartisan support for a big defense budget. there is people talking about trimming around the margin. but why do you think it's not better understood that there are these efficiency problems or they're at least needs to be compaction to address them? >> well thank you. let me join in condolences to the family of general powell, wh

>> the department of defense released the cybersecurity strategy and one of the elements was this ideaow do we operate outside to identify the threats to ensure perhaps they didn't come to the homeland and from that idea of the outside of the united states, here at the cyber command we developed the idea of persistent engagement and the persistent engagement is two things. the ability to enable our partners and also to act so whether they are international partners, whether they are interagency partners, whether they are industry partners. by an adversary that is coming to the united states that is the idea of engagement and being able i to ensure that we are operating within the construct of the motions. getting your thoughts on the value and the sort of operational goal and how you think we are doing in terms of deterring the foreign threat actors from taking more than we are seeing these days. d >> i think we are still learning about how we apply to the detergents and one of the things the secretary talks about is the series of partners and domains and how we operate in a way that i

so just from the used department of states, ministry of defense, you the department of defense to support me to help me get out safely from afghanistan with my family. and that brings you up to date with an easy for they say that's i think looking safe on this monday morning. we'll be back again though at the top of the mm. mm ah ah, in russia this kind of car was discontinued more than 20 years ago. even lost a more than a sort of can you sell it to proposal that you're dealing with just important factors? it took 5 years to close again up on the will car industry from the drawing board to the 1st finish model. skip. so we'll go over the excellent cool deal with my food ocean from a small school. well, will shoot for shift up almost with a pretty much it was to deal with commercial products driven by a trainer shaped bass control center. those with there's syncs. we dare to ask in or allowing ourselves to be more efficient or quicker with our transactions. we can make mobile payments from our starns. this truth is that every device is a potential entry point for security attack a i event

thinking. >> in 2018, the department of defense releasedcurity strategy and one of the elements was this idea of defined forward. how do we operate outside of the united states at the department to identify and counteract effect to ensure the thrust, perhaps they did not come to the homeland. from that idea operating outside the united statesd,, we are developed the idea of persistent engagement. persistent engagement two things, the ability to enable partners and also to add. enable partners, whether or not they are international partners or interagency partners, whether or not they are industry partners and the ability to act. sending four teams and disrupt the infrastructure of an attack by an adversary coming to the united states, that's the idea of persistent engagement and ensure we are operating within the construct of what the department said the mission. >> and q. another question is about deterrence generally and the question is getting your thoughts on the value in cyber space and how you think we are doing in terms of threat act

he makes it strongly suggest from the used department of states amnesty of defense. you the department of defense to support me to help me get out safely from afghanistan, with my family. residence a san francisco, attending to private security firms these days off to police of failing to cope with an alarming rising crime in that u. s. city calibrate kids home robberies. they've become the biggest problem for the area. and amid they serge in crime, business is booming. it seems for private security firms. we had from allen by od. he's an officer with one of those companies. he told us the police lack the manpower to cover everything effectively at the moment. not too many people want to become a police officer anymore. we have a couple of people that were working for us that were with s f p d, but no longer, we're still looking for officers. it's, we're having the same problem. getting people that san francisco police have, while authorities say the numbers have increased since cold defun, the police took effect. the figures show over 400 cases of violent crime. it m

of defense and president. think of us as doing three things. we defend department of defense networks and weapons data systems. you think, how big is that? we have about 4.5 million end points, 3.5 million users, about 600,000 mobile devices spread across classified and unclassified networks. we were very closely with the federal bureau of investigation and cisa to ensure the security of the nation's cyberspace. the final thing that we provide support to, all of our combat and commanders. whether you are deployed around the world, in europe, in the pacific, if you need cyber support, it will come from u.s. cyber command. that is the cyber command side. let me talk about the national security agency. next week, 69 years old. really, i would tell you we are a global organization. our focus is two part. we do for intelligence, outside the united states, focused on signals intelligence. if it is on a wire, email, transitioning in cyberspace, from our adversaries, we are trying to gain insight. the second piece is we do cybersecurity. this is a part of the mission that

so just from the used department of states, ministry of defense, you the department of defense to support me, help me get out safely from afghanistan, with my family, residence to san francisco. it's setting a private security firms off to the police of failing to cope with an alarming rising crime in that you a city car, break kids home robberies. they've become the biggest problem for the area. and amid the surgeon, crime business is booming. them for private security firms. we heard from someone called allen by an officer with one of those companies. he told us, the police simply lack the manpower to cover everything effectively. not too many people want to become a police officer anymore. we have a couple of people that were working for us that were with s f p d, but no longer, we're still looking for officers. it's, we're having the same problem. getting people that san francisco police have authority say the numbers have increased since coles to defend the police. took effect. the figures show the fall under cases of violent crime in may compared to just over $300.00 the same time l

of elections is important to that. raj: you mentioned persistent engagement. we have a question about the defense department defend forward strategy. could you explain that, the import of that way of thinking. gen. nakasone: in 2018 that dod released their strategy and one of the elements of the strategy was this idea of defense forward, how do we operate outside the united states and the department to be able to identify threats and counteract those threats and ensure those threats perhaps did not come to the homeland. from that idea of defend forward, we at that cyber command developed the idea of persistent engagement. persistent engagement is really two things, the ability to enable partners and also to act. so enable our partners, whether or not they are international or inter-agency or industry partners, and that is the ability to act, acting outside the united states. being able to disrupt the infrastructure of perhaps an attack by an advertiser --adversary coming to the united states. that is the idea of persistent engagement, ensuring that we are operating within the construct of the defense forwar

calling up allies in the department of defense to rescue the head of the cia whom she believed was guilty-- then, remember, this woman had the ear, the trust of the former president, the most powerful man on earth. a man who when she made that call still had control of the nuclear codes. it's also worth noting here the man she called, as we're cohen, was not just some random trump official, in fact it kind of makes sense why sydney powell would think he would be sympathetic to her conspiracies. you see, during the early days of the administration, cohen was one of the sources who leaked information to houston -- about the incidental surveillance campaign officials by intelligence agencies over their communication with foreign officials. you may not remember this, it was a big thing on fox, the so-called unmasking scandal, which infuriated trump. it dominated much of his attention over the next three years. so that's what cohen is most known for, being kind of a loyal soldier there. it was first brought into the fold under the wing of michael flynn, must trump's first national security adv

>> congressman, i'll speak for the department of defense. within our organizations we're focusing more on behaviors and group representation if you will. if someone is a member of a group, that may not necessarily indicate that they are actually doing things that are detrimental to what we consider to be the mission or our readiness or their ability to serve. we are trying to focus on those behaviors that we are concerned about and less on what somebody's past affiliation or association with a group might be. mr. carson: thank you, i yield back. mr. schiff: mr. wenstrup. mr. wenstrup: i want to associate myself with the concerns about michael ellis from there, the intelligence community's need for diversity of talents and characteristics are very clear. as well this work requires a common thread of selfless, apolitical, patriotic service with honesty, honor and integrity along with a willingness to uphold and defend our constitution. i think that's pretty clear. but nothing has been as diverse and incluesive as covid-19. killing and affecting

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paul stockman, former assistant secretary of defense for homeland definance and america's security affairs in the department of defense. and a senior fellow of john -- of the john hopkins university's applied dissics did shall did-physics lab toamplet we are privileged to be joined by my colleague, a.e.i. senior fellow, elizabeth. dr. stockton's service as an assistant second for president obama put him on his current path of support to industry and government to meet emerging challenges and infrastructure resilience, cybersecurity, and strategy planning. >> now that he's left office he provides strategy advice to major electric utilities, trade associations, and the electrical subsector coordinating council to help them strengthen preparedness against cyber threats. he chairs the grid resilience subcommittee of the department of energy's electricity advisory council, and serves on the national association of regulatory utility commissioners task force on emergency preparedness. miss elisabeth braw's work focuses on defense against emerging national security challenges, specifically focusing on hybrid and g

so just from the used department of states or mr. defense, you the department of defense, to support me to help me get out safely from afghanistan with my family. residence of san francisco. hi, turning to private security firms as police fail to cope with an alarming rise in crime in the u. s. city. a car break ins and home robberies have become the biggest problem for the area and a made the surgeon crime business is booming for private security firms. we heard from allen by out an officer with one of these companies. he told us that the police simply lacked the manpower to cover everything effectively. not too many people want to become a police officer anymore. we have a couple of people that were working for us that were with s f p d, but no longer, we're still looking for officers since we're having the same problem. getting people that san francisco police have that authority. they say that the numbers have increased since calls to defun. the police took effect. the figures show over $400.00 cases of violent crime in may compared to just over $300.00 at the same time last year

why they are not look in why they are ease, department of defense is not look and how money, how many interpreters we might enough dennis on. they should be given the list for the used department of states that these interpret as a reminder left in afghanistan, we need to make navy great at 1st. not like, look, local people not like anybody can says to we will take a look at that. 22000 people is like our local people. they don't have documents, they don't have any drinks. i have a lot of opportunities. i have a documents. i have a letter recommendation letter from my supervisor my at the company which i was working with them. something called a mission essential and me be mission essential, personal, how their charlotte are and also recommendation. i have a lot of documents but still remind here nothing was received. i don't know why is that still the problem is what's the problem? well, the i secretary of state anthony blink and does say that they are working on fulfilling their commitments and that all american citizens and former afghan allies will be rescued as soon as possible.

ferrari: paul, if i could pull on the string of your previous job with the department of defense and partment of energy, what about organizing within the united states? you know that the military is either prohibited or does not want to operate within the borders of the united states. yet the attacks are coming from external. how do we organize private industry, state and local government, the federal government, and the military to either pardon ourselves and deter it, but also to defeat these i/o and cyber threats internally to the united states? dr. stockton: the first step is to develop an assessment of the threat. our discussion today only begins to assess what is coming. without a threat assessment we are stuck in the mud. then i think we need to agree on some fundamental principles here. above all, uphold the constitution of the united states as we build defenses. against coercive information operations. and let's not get dod into the business of homeland defense against information operations. the department of defense is already busy with its existing portfolio. there are sen

the department of defense intends to champion climate consideration inside and beyond the department of. department. that at the department of defense. the fact of the matter is while china, iran, perhaps the 5,000 terrorist that is were released that we had housed in afghanistan, dozens, hundreds of terrorist groups across the world, they know full well this country is not remotely serious right now about defending ourselves, defending our allies, standing alongside israel, standing alongside taiwan, pushing back on china, ensuring our positioning in the middle east is strong or securing the southern board of the united states where we increasingly find individuals from state sponsored of terror, from china coming into our southern border. happens much more regularly than people understand or be comfortable with. but no response from here. response at the border as we know is to encourage more traffic. allow asylum to be abused. stop building the fence. there are parts of the fence sitting in a field ruing -- rusting in texas. we are paying contractors not to build the fence. but pay

so just from a huge department of states, ministry of defense, you with the department of defense, to support me to help me get out safely from afghanistan with my family. you watching are international. that's how the news is looking so far this monday morning. i will be back day with the headlines and more stories to flee and just diver. mm. mm hm. it's been 30 years as the soviet union collapsed. um miss scott lauder, go to chill them on to what the problem yet nuclear animal. ok, so, so shown where you're swore trucks on one coil or thumb ukraine was one of the independent states that emerged from the ruins of the super bow. i'm doing awesome . good. would you also be on google greens? come a little more surely confusing some of the yet and less nutrition west and are there better lung or law or else? well as a is, there is for show for the view, this is for service, but it is possible for to share with us for, for water. the past 3 decades, we'd like for ukraine, eye witnesses recall the events. there should be more or less to do to shoot for synergy, officially traverse little y

to get the department of defense to go along with the run of the insurrection. cohen is not the only person flynn was talking to. he also got into trumps head. about potentially having the dod use the military to impose marshall law and rerun the election. idea trump aid visors shot down. again, what does it mean something like that was being considered in the west wing? because these conspiracy theories with right wing brain poisoning had access to a president with similar brain poisoning. who was desperate to do anything to stay in power. everyone if it meant plunging a knife into the heart of the american democracy. in the final days, that seemed to concern some of the cabinet members. reporting the secretary of defense goal at the end of the administration quote was to prevent the use of the military against american citizens. during the days before the day of and days after the election. think about that. that's his chief goal. head of the pentagon. let's make sure we don't turn the military on our own people. and he was ultimately pushed out in the waning

so back in june, the department of defense released some of those videos and said they were to come up with the task force to look into this because they looked into what i'd identified flying objects and came back out and said yes, still identified. we don't know what these are could be, could not be. so they'd be having this task force. now this is just another bureaucratic step. they're moving it into a working group. so what that does is it sort of finalizes the chain of command. it also include include members of the intelligence community, but it will get them to the point where they can actually know who to report to evolve more parts of the department of defense. so it's more of a formalizing of the process. they're going to have a budget, they're going to involve the intelligence community. so now just, they're going to be the airborne object identification and management, synchronization group. unemployment levels in thailand have top to 16 year high countries, hoping things will improve with the return of foreign tourists. but alongside the pandemic, the crisis is not one th

so back in june, the department of defense released some of those videos and said they were to come up with the task force to look into this because they looked into what unidentified flying objects and came back out and said yes still and identified. we don't know what these are could be, could not be. so they've been having this task force. now, this is just another part, bureaucratic step. they're moving it into a working group. so what that does is it sort of finalizes the chain of command and also in crew includes members of the intelligence community. but able get them to the point where they can actually know who to report to and evolve more parts of the department of defense. ah, so it's more of a formalizing of the process. they're going to have a budget. they're going to involve the intelligence community as are now just, they're going to be the airborne object identification and management synchronization group. ah, sorry for a quick check of the top stories here on al jazeera, at least 31 refugees and migrants trying to reach britain of drowned in the english channel. mckel

we have efforts underway at the department of defense about to be underway. ere is a joint staff my organization is working to do an independent review especially from february 2022 the and of the new year and we're in conversations with the nfc and the state department to make sure whatever we do their ongoing lessons learned activities. >> and then if we look at the answers from what we have learned? >> with the testimony earlier in the hearing and an estimate at isis-k to launch an attack within six to 12 months. and that al qaeda could launch an attack within one or two years. and acknowledging we are in an unclassified settings with theun broad objectives are adversaries may have in afghanistan and what planning is dod doing in response to those recommendations and objectives? >> so the intelligence community would say that isis-k and al qaeda could have the capability to do attacks within that timeframe. if they do or not is something that cannot be predicted with any degree of certainty. we are deploying isr in afghanistan and we also have national tech

this comes out of the department of defense follow suit enforcing the mandate for all d o d employees and final member 22nd. today i am humble to be one of the 1st of many of the members. see the vaccine. this was christopher miller, the u. s. secretary of defense under the truck administration last december received one of the earliest shots of the crown of irish vaccine. and now all d o d employees are expected to be fully vaccinated by november 22nd. however, religious or medical exemptions are granted to those who qualify, they will reportedly have to get tested on a regular basis. now this mandate applies to all d o d workers, whether they work in an actual d o d office or elsewhere. visitors and contractors on site will also have to abide by the guidelines. earlier this month, more than 2 dozen republican lead states filed lawsuits challenging president biden's vaccine requirement for private companies. but the white house argues that department of labor has a responsibility to keep worker safe. this comes as the occupational safety and health administration, or requiring their

the united states so far has been successful in that, but the department of defense is roughly 30 times the size of the state department. the state department and diplomacy are essentially the relationship building part of how we deal with other nations. military represents hopefully a deterrent, but if necessary a coercive force. you want that to be your last option. unfortunately, we have it always prioritized, or built up, the infrastructure for diplomacy that were allowed -- that would allow us to reduce tensions and build alliances around the world to make sure we are in the strongest position in terms of allies and support. it is interesting you mentioned the number of diplomats china has committed they are -- there is right now an imbalance between the u.s. military positions around the world. china only has one military base outside of mainline -- mainland china, that's in djibouti. they are trying to get to other continents around the world, but the u.s. is far ahead of china in that respect. still, they have done a lot of work under their belt and wrote initiative to expand th

department of state. they are fantastic people. we need them in every possible way. we are engaged in a global dialogue right now, on enormously important issues. the department of defense is not the tool designed to do that. the tool designed to do that is the department of state. i think this is of superior significance for what we are doing at the council, and for the country as a whole, for the cause of peace. thank you to everyone who has been involved with it. i hope you can join us again in a future session. i wish you a good week ahead. >> congress returns this week facing a deadline on government funding. the house comes in tomorrow afternoon and plan to take up legislation later in the week to avoid abuses of power. on the others of the capital, the senate is back at 3:00 p.m. eastern. watch live coverage on c-span, the senate on c-span two, online at c-span.org or on the new video at -- app. >> broadband is a force for empowerment. building infrastructure, upgrading technology, empowering opportunity in communities big and small. charter is connecting us. >> along with these other television providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> tuesday, a t

like how the details of his story keep changing. >> from the security exchange fraud department to the cia fraud department >> the other one goes from fraud from the department of defenseich is it, the cia fraud department or someone who does fraud for the department of defense? also, it doesn't matter since neither of them exist. i think your bank must have just called you about some weird charges and you got confused [ laughter ] "oh, mr. gosar, i'm from the chase fraud department we wanted to let you know about a suspicious $10,000 charge from something called anime photoshop services." "no. that's a good charge i paid them. they do good work. sadly, this is not a fringe movement these people are the core of the modern gop a majority of house republicans voted to stand with gosar and a majority voted to overturn the 2020 election. in fact, the supposed leader of their party, former president trump, actually sat down for an interview in mar-a-lago, with one of the most unhinged conspiracy theorists out there, my pillow ceo mike lindell where they squeezed into tiny chairs, and i'm guessing were designed for cabbage patch dolls and bandied about the same bs about the

of them were automated jobs that were being run for the top government contractors for the department of defense in the us. so northrop grumman boeing, you know, lockheed martin. these kinds of companies were part of this cache, which again, is something that raised some more suspicion. even though these things are out in the open, it does seem to suggest that there is some sort of relationship going on. and as we talked deeper, we found, of course more relationships with the d d, the cia, it's cetera. and that's basically what we're reporting on. so it sounds like some sort of d o d connected grew possibly the pentagon itself, but it could just be a contractor somewhere is, is running these, these, you know, running the software to create a list of those who are kind of the most important. and for example, spreading information about julian sons and some of the people you targeted, not a lot of people would know at all. they're just average citizens, but others that were targeted are fairly widely known. can you talk about who exactly you found was targeted? sure, so you're on there, lee, you k

of information act. they had sued the defense department to attain all of rumsfeld snowflakes. ost of these are unclassified. the defense department was gradually releasing these snowflakes on a rolling basis to them. i had met with them and they agreed to let me have a sneak peak so to speak to deal with afghanistan. there were so many coming in about rumsfeld term it was kind of overwhelming. i was able to sort through them. these memos are really in line with these other interviews that we got. the one that really jumped out at me, this is what it looked like. one page memo. meetings with the president, october 21, 2002. also today at 2:55 p.m. i met with the president. introduced me to one of his classmates from yale. i had been alone with the president for three minutes and talk to him about the wednesday national security council meeting where i'd been told he wanted to meet with general make neal and general franks. bush said who was general mcneil rumsfeld says he is a general in charge of afghanistan. bush said, well, i don't need to meet with him. i said general franks

of information act. they had sued the defense department to attain all of rumsfeld snowflakes. ost of these are unclassified. the defense department was gradually releasing these snowflakes on a rolling basis to them. i had met with them and they agreed to let me have a sneak peak so to speak to deal with afghanistan. there were so many coming in about rumsfeld term it was kind of overwhelming. i was able to sort through them. these memos are really in line with these other interviews that we got. the one that really jumped out at me, this is what it looked like. one page memo. meetings with the president, october 21, 2002. also today at 2:55 p.m. i met with the president. introduced me to one of his classmates from yale. i had been alone with the president for three minutes and talk to him about the wednesday national security council meeting where i'd been told he wanted to meet with general make neal and general franks. bush said who was general mcneil rumsfeld says he is a general in charge of afghanistan. bush said, well, i don't need to meet with him. i said general franks

there is a strong bipartisan commitment to vigorously funding the department of defense. if we do not do that, if we fall into the trap of a c.r., as i've indicated, we'll be taking money away from the department of defense. and, second, we will be tied, as senator leahy pointed out -- chairman leahy pointed out to funding priorities from a year ago, even though circumstances have changed remarkably. as he pointed out, we have funding in the last year's legislation that would provide support to afghan forces who have been dissipated by the events of august. we would have a situation where there was significant amounts of money intended to assist afghan security concerns that could not be effectively used and would detract from the current needs that we have. third, a c.r. will prevent d.o.d. from effectively modernizing and reinventing and reinvesting in its programs. since new starts aren't allowed under a c.r. -- new programs -- d.o.d. could be forced into funding legacy systems that are outdated and inefficient. that is simply a congressionally mandatessed waste. meanwh

and we specifically talked about ensuring our sexual assault programs are in line with the department of defense guidance and this comes out of the programs with the secretary of defense so i would tell you to stand by until we see where the department is going. >> you talk a lot about how -- you talk a lot about how green berets specifically are are out there in eastern europe training partner forces. for two decades they were doing the in afghanistan and commando asked for others they smell special operations. many of the afghan partner forces thatma were trained -- my question is what you guys doing in order to take a lesson learned and applied to the partner forces you are advising a training weather in europe but also in africa or other parts of the middle east? >> a couple of things to your question. i highlighted the green berets and it's important that our civil affairs teams and psychological operations teams and our s.e.a.l.s and are warriors are also part of this broader effort. as far as the lessons learned from afghanistan we have to look at number one what are the needs of that spe

but our military and the department of defense is roughly 30 times the size of the state department. and so the state department, the diplomacy are essentially the relationship building part of how we deal with other nations. military represent hopefully a deterrent but also if necessary a coercive force. and so you want that to be your last resort or your last option. unfortunately, we haven't always prioritized or built-up the infrastructure for diplomacy that would allow us to make sure that we're reducing attention, building up alliances around the world to make sure we're in the strongest position in terms of allies. and you mentioned the number of diplomats china has. there right now is an imbalance between the united states military positions around the world. so, for example, china only has one military base outside of mainland china, and that's in djibouti. they're working very hard to place military bases in other continents around the world, but the united states is far ahead of china in that respect. still, they've done a lot of work under their belt and road initiative t