>> is the department of justice? in terms of prosecution, the department of justice. >> who participated there in coming up with the idea and following through and giving these weapons to these -- >> that would get into the details of the investigation. >> you can't get into that? >> i can't get into that here. >> you can't tell us who at the department of justice was in charge? >> i'm not certain that the particular united states attorney was in charge. i'm quite certain the criminal division would be in charge. i know this investigation is a high priority for allf us at the department of justice and at the fbi. >> the fbi has done great work in community outreach, particularly in relating to fostering a relationship based on shared security goals. given that the federal government has intruded into many aspects our lives over many years, it's imperative that federal law enforcement carefully and forcefully articulate that the fbi is there to protect them, not police them for unlawful conduct. i want to bring you att

i rise in support of this amendment which will ensure that the department of justice has the resources it needs to fight white collar crimes. the department is preparing to close antitrust division regional offices in atlanta, cleveland, dallas and philadelphia. this amendment will prevent the closure of these field offices during fiscal year 2013. as maybe of the judiciary subcommittee on intellectual property, competition in the internet, i am concerned about the impact of these closures. this action will seriously undermine the division's ability to enforce antitrust laws by eliminating the number of boots oned ground, particularly in the southeast and the southwest. closing these offices is very shortsighted. it puts nearly 100 jobs at risk in atlanta and saves only $500,000 in fiscal year 2013. the proposal could end up costing money by transferring employees to regional offices with higher cost of living and higher salaries like new york and san francisco. further, the proposal will weaken the antitrust division as experienced attorneys who choose not to transfer leave for other

we have to have a department of justice that people will respect, but the department of justice took the unpress kented -- unprecedented step of having to withdraw a letter sent to a member of congress because it was demonstrably false. on february 4, 2011, the department of justice on department of justice letterhead mails a demonstrably false letterhead denying a tactic called gun walking on the very same day the criminal chief of the department of justice of the united states of america is in mexico advocating for the tactic of gun walking. and somehow we can't ask the department of justice to tell us who knew what when, and the gentleman on the other side of the aisle, madam chairwoman said everyone has been punished. madam chairwoman, no one has been punished. there hasn't been a demotion. there hasn't been a firing. there hasn't been a sanction. there hasn't been a frowny face on a performance evaluation. there's been nothing. so i want to say what i said yesterday, madam chairwoman. this is not just snore -- not just another appointment in someone's cabinet. this is not another

of the department? >> this investigation was initiated in june of 2008. i was not working at the department of justice in 2008. president obama was not working at 1600 pennsylvania avenue in 2008. this investigation will continue. >> sheriff arpaio wasn't in office, not the -- >> i think sheriff arpaio was in office in 2008. >> you are trying to correct problems within the department, you know if he were to leave, i'm saying, and someone else was running the department next year, would that change it? >> no, we have to fix the problems. the problems are systemic. sheriff arpaio has been identified as a person involved in creating the culture that has problematic implications. but there are other issues. this is about systems. and reforming systems. so that we have effective constitutional policing that helps to reduce crime and ensure public confidence. and it's something that we will continue to be here as long as is necessary to fix that problem. >> sir, why is maricopa county named as a defend, and what is potentially at risk for maricopa county and its taxpayers in the penalty phase? >> maricopa c

>> that would have to go to the department of justice? that's a step too far for me. >> understood, understood. in your testimony in your written testimony, you stated that you support the reauthorization of the fisa amendments act. among other things, those amendments authorize the government to surveill various categories of non-u.s. persons abroad, outside the united states, without the need for a court order to each individual target. a although these amendments don't appear to allow the government intentionally to target a u.s. person or intentionally to target any person on u.s. soil, it does seem that the amendments have the potential to result in warrantless surveillance of communications that involve u.s. citizens. can you explain in light of this potential what steps can be taken, what steps might be taken in order to protect u.s. citizens? >> we're concerned about both the thrust of the stat ult as well as the provisions of the statute that minimize the possibility of this happening, but beyond that, i would have to do it in clo

citizens -- the department of justice is withholding documents. madam chairwoman, it should not have come to this. there are basic questions that the people in congress should have the right to have answer. who approved the tactic of gun walking? why was the criminal chief advocating for the tactic of gun walking on february 4, 2011, in mexico which is the very same day a demonstrably false letter was written to united states senator chuck grassley denying the tactic? on the very same day one is advocating for it, a letter was sent on department of justice letterhead denying the tactic. how did it ever get drafted and sent on d.o.j. letterhead? was gun walking alluded to in the wiretapping applications? and if so, who missed it? when the president said he did not approve of fast and furious and neither did eric holder, how did he know it? he said that in march of 2011. these are but five questions in a we do not have the answers to despite one solid year of asking. so, madam chairwoman, this is not about politicks for me. it's about respecting the

., there are over 660,000 vehicles in the federal fleet with over 41,000 being used by the department of justice and another 2,400 with the department of commerce. by supporting the diverse array of vehicle technologies in our federal fleet, we will encourage development of domestic energy resources, including biomass, natural gas, agricultural waste, hydrogen and renewable electricity. expanding the role these energy sources play in our transportation economy will help break the leverage over americans held by foreign government-controlled oil companies and will increase our nation's domestic security and protect consumers from price spikes and shortages in the world oil markets. so i ask that you support the engel amendment. on a similar note, i've worked with my colleagues, john shimkus and ross could he batter -- roscoe bartlett and steve israel , to bring h.r. 1687. i particularly worked with congressman shimkus on this bill in this congress. our bill would require 50% of new automobiles in 2014, 80% in 2016 and 95% in 2017 to be warranted to operate on nonpetroleum fuels in addition to or

and department of justice regulations. nor should we override a regulatory process that began under the administration of president bush and concluded after extensive public notice and comment by adopting the guidelines that the united states access board developed in 2004 during the george bush administration. certain members of the hotel industry have claimed that the regulations require all owners to require fixed lifts and this is costly and burdensome and owners who can't afford it will have to shut down their pools or face penalties. these claims are false. as required by congress, the justice department has increased access to newly existing pools, rules that have been under development for almost 15 years. new pools must be built with either a sloped entry into the pool or a pool lift under these new rules. for existing pools, owners will have to do what is readily achievable based on the size and resource of the owner's business. if it is readily achievable which is defined as easily accomplished to be carried out,

. >> the department of justice has filed this 11 page letter warning the baltimore city police department that their policy involving citizens videotaping officers is inadequate. >> reporter: a violent arrest on tape. police deleted the video from chris sharp's phone. >> the guy actually said, that's what you get for taping it. >> he's suing police for violating his first amendment rights. now the department of justice is weighing in saying city officers should be advised not to threaten, intimidate, or otherwise discourage an individual from recording police officer enforcement activities or intentionally block or obstruct cameras. city police implemented new guidelines, but a month later wjz obtained this video. police never told a man to stop recording button threatened to arrest him for loitering. >> turned around and walk. >> a doj letter cites this case calling out officers for looking for other law violations to force iran to stop recording them. >> we've got to make sure the police are properly trained on what rights they must protect as opposed to intruding. >> the attorney says

the department of justice have knowingly lied to congress. we have 300 people dead in mexico. we have thousands of weapons knowingly given to the drug cartels. it doesn't get much more serious. >> greta: with a subpoena and you don't comply, you get hauled into court right away and put in jail until you comply. if you get a subpoena from congress, it seems to linger and go on for months and months. i'm kous curious. suppose you do hold him into contempt. what does it really mean? >> it means they will have to provide the documents. what we're trying to determine how is it the department of justice in their own words came up with a program that was fatally flawed? why is it the intradepartment agency discussions absolutely failed? we have to remember, at the heart of this we have a dead u.s. border patrol agent. when he was on the receiving end he died. i have to look at that family in the face, we did everything we could to figure out how it happened and make sure it never happens again. the democrats want to play politics. they say we're on witch hunt. nothing is further from

the department of justice has granted authority to -- to make grant to state and local governments to advance the best practices. as pointed out, it has the support of numerous groups. and you'll be hearing from some today. let me conclude as my statement will give the details of the legislation. by quoting our former colleague, senator kennedy, when he said civil rights is the great unfinished business of america. i think it's time that we move forward in guaranteeing to every citizen of this country equal justice under the law. and s. 1670 will move us forward in that direction. thank you. >> thanks, senator cardin. i might also add that we're at capacity in this room, and anyone unable to make it inside the room will have an overflow room in dirksen g 50, two floors below us here. senator graham suggests that we proceed with the witnesses. next up is congressman john conyers, the house sponsor of the end racial profiling act, ranking member of the house judiciary committee. serving in the house of representatives since 1965, john conyers is the second longest serving member. i thin

>> that would have to go to the department of justice. is a step too far for me. >> understood. in your testimony, your written testimony, you stated that you support the reauthorization of the fisa amendments act. among other things, those amendments authorized the government to surveilled various categories of non-u.s. persons abroad, outside the united states without the need for a court order for each individual target. although these amendments don't appear to allow the government intentionally to target u.s. person or any person on u.s. soil, it does seem that humans have an -- that the amendments have a potential to involve u.s. citizens. .. thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, director. >> good morning. i'm a teacher in the other members in thanking you for your extraordinary service over many years from the many challenging and difficult years on many challenging and difficult topics. obviously, particularly in the area of terrorism, the fbi has taken an increasingly important role, not just in terms of apprehends same here in thi

>> is the department of justice? e -- in terms of prosecution, yes, it's the department of justice. >> who actually participated there? >> in? >> in coming up with the idea and following through and giving these weapons to these -- >> now that's the details of the investigation which i can't get into that, sir. >> okay. can't tell us who at the department of justice was in charge? >> i'm not certain of the particular. it's the united states attorney in charge, and i'm quite certain the criminal division would be in charge, but i know this invie gages is a high priority for all levels of department of justice and the fbi. >> the fbi has done great work in community outreach particularly relating to fostering a relationship based on sharedded security goals, and given the federal government intruded into many aspects of our lives over the years, it's imperative the federal government implicates the fbi is there to protect them and not police them for unlawful conduct. i want to bring to your attention a series of fliers

i am tom perez, the assist apt attorney general for civil rights at the united states department of justice. today the department of justice did something it has done only once before in the 18 year history of our civil police reform work. we filed a contested lawsuit to stop skrim to her and unconstitutional law enforcement practices. in our police reform work we have invariably been able to work collaboratively with law enforcement agencies to build better departments and safer communities. maricopa county and maricopa county sheriff's office and sheriff ar pile have been a glaring exception to our. they have proven elusive here in maricopa county n june 2008 the department of justice began its initial inquiry into allegations that montgomery county sheriff's office and cher ar pio were violating constitutional rights of people many maricopa county. in september of 2007 following repeated unsuccessful efforts to obtain mcsos and the sheriff's voluntary compliance with the legal obligation to provide information in connection with our

how does the department of justice move through this case and get rid of joe arpaio. >> they have touch information as possible. this is a case where we have to acknowledge that widespread police profiling and police brutality. not just against mexican americans and some people who are here perhaps without papers, but also citizens of african-american descent and other minority groups are long-standing victims of systemic police brutality. it's also about him, but it's about our willingness to defend these practices. people who might commit a crime are. >> i feel that it's gone from overt racism to institutional racism. targeting latinos, blacks, you know using their power to basically incarcerate them. incredible statistics. latinos in maricopa county are nine times more likely than any other group to be pulled over by police. if that's not profiling, i don't know what profiling is. >> it does remind me of mayor bloomberg's policy of stop and frisk. do we know the number of people in arizona who have been effected by these policies? how many people is this happening to on a daily ba

of conversation. >> he is a political hack. the justice department is an important jobe. eme law enforcement initial the country. upholding the rule of law an the constitution. the case the justice department brought in texas against the voter i.d. laws they know they will lose it. why is he doing it? to gin up the issue and agitate the base, presumably the minority. second point, the arizona immigration case, they are going to lose that one, too. they know it. they bring it up for the hispanic vote. >> kimberly: i think i love him as much as dana perino. you don't usually agree. >> bob: i would like to invite charles to be honorary member of "the five." we talk about a story with him every day. first, he is wrong about texas. it has nothing to do with the indiana case. he is wrong about arizona. he is talking about the hack positions the attorney general has been political for a long time. if i could point out in the previous administration, this guy alberto gonzalez, counselor at the white house, goes to the sick bed of the attorneyien to get him to sign a cover up lette

>> the department of justice just looked at it and gave them the bureaucratic blind fair. >> john: they don't call us back. they refer to us officials of the department of justice. regulators did issue a statement struggling to enter a swimming pool negatively obstructs a person's independence. >> you can't even buy the equipment. >> john: and you have a portable pool lift. a disabled person, a person in a wheelchair, i am going to need help getting in the pool. i don't want somebody carrying in. i would rather have a machine, you have one. >> we did a survey of all the hotels, word came back. we have never, ever used pool lift. longest person had been 13-14 years. >> john: in 15 years royal apartments in phoenix, nobody has ever used the portable lift. >> we don't have one, mike. they called me back and said, mike, i found it. my maintenance told me we have one. so sitting there they are not being used now. why would you want to have $10,000. you are talking billions of dollars for something that really hasn't been demonstrated you need it. >> john: you are evil, you are evil, too, and

payments were illegal in the united states, that's when they decided to self-disclose to the department of justiceself-disclose, he means chiquita, on the advice of its attorneys, turned itself in to the justice department, and one of the first things aguirre did when he became ceo was to stop the payments and sell the company's colombian subsidiary. the company pled guilty to a felony and agreed to pay a $25 million fine, but that wasn't the end of its legal problems. [ticking] chiquita faces angry victims and their lawyers. and you believe that chiquita knew that this money that they were paying was being used to go in the villages and massacre people? >> if they didn't, they would be the only ones in the whole country of colombia who didn't think that. >> when 60 minutes on cnbc continues. [ticking] >> attorney terry collingsworth has filed one of five lawsuits that have been brought against chiquita brands international, seeking money for the families of colombians killed by the paramilitaries. he says the money chiquita paid to the guerillas for seven years may have kept its employees safe, b

the department of justice denies claims of being uncooperative. e pirro, host of "justice" right here. is he more interested in grabbing headlines or is this a legitimate inquiry? >> it seems based upon the fact that this investigation has been ongoing for some time that issa is trying to get to the bottom facts here. there are 12 categories out of 22 that holder's office has not responded to and there is something like 8% of the number of pages that the congress has asked for that have been handed over by the department of justice. here is the issue: we call it fast and furious. it seems that the congress people are furious about holder's refusal to cooperate -- >> gregg: they're always furious. in the last six administrations, 12 administration officials have been held in contempt of congress and you know what? what happens? nothing. >> well, but you know, like attorney general janet leno in 1975 who was cited for contempt, the bottom line is, you don't want your legacy to contain a contempt order of congress. that's serious stuff. >> gregg: some

these all need to be precleared by the department of justice. three of these states are tangled up in lit gate right now, texas, florida, and south carolina. georgia got theirs precleared, but other states are running on the voting rights act issues. and oddly enough, what we're seeing is the voting rights issues that in section five that have been mainly focused on redistricting, they're now back on voter registration, voter access. the original intent of the legislation from the 1960s. so we're back to the same old battle all over again. they updated the law in 2005 and 2006, and i was a testifying witness in front of the house and the senate. and at the time there were real questions about the relevance of the law. and my argument has always been it's not that we don't need the law anymore, we knew a modern voting rights act. we have rural voting rights issues, rural participation issues that are not adequately covered by existing voting right law. voting rights in indian country, for example, demand closer scrutiny by congress, and congress r

>> in the department of justice? in terms of prosecution, yes, it would be the department of justice. >> who actually participated there in coming up with the idea and following through and giving these weapons to these -- >> that would get into the details of the investigation which i can't get into that here sir. >> you can't tell us who at the department of justice who is in charge? >> i'm not certain a particular u.s. attorney is in charge. i'm quite certain criminal division would be in charge. i know this investigation is a high priority for all levels at the department of justice and the f.b.i. >> the f.b.i.'s done great work in community outreach, particularly relating to fostering a relationship based on shared security goals. given that the federal government has intruded into many aspects of our lives over the years, it's imperative that federal law enforcement carefully and continually articulate the f.b.i. is there to protect them not police them for ordinary lawful conduct. i want to bring to your attent

the department of justice needs to continue to expand its response to these state laws using robust civil rights protections. additionally, congress must defund the department of homeland security 287-g and secure committee programs which promote racial profiling by turning state and local law enforcement officials in to immigration agents. when police officers not trained in immigration law are asked to enforce the nation's immigration laws, they routinely resort to racial stereotypes about who looks or sounds foreign. but you can't tell by looking or listening to someone with b wlooncht they're in the u.s. lawfully. in order to achieve comprehensive reform, congress needs to provide law enforcement with the tools needed to engage in effective policing. we need to pass the end racial profiling act which would prohibit racial profiling once and for all. and we should urge the administration to strengthen the department of justice guidance using the use of race by federal law enforcement agencies to address profiling by religion and national origin and to close loopholes for the border and

what we've said to the department of justice, it's time for you to step up. se the department of justice can stop this dead in its tracks. they can do it because the voting rights act allows them to do that. because latino voters are targeted. we've called on them and called upon the state to stop the letters. to cease and desist with the purges. because we know that it's unlawful because it's too close to an election. the federal law says you cannot do these purges so close to an election. a and why? because we know that it's often done for partisan gain and that's what we believe is happening now. >> rachel maddow has in-depth analysis with guests if all sides. don't miss the "rachel maddow show" on msnbc 9:00 p.m. >>> your "first look" at wall street, the dow opens at 12,419 after tumbling 160 points yesterday. the s&p dropped 19, the nasdaq defense 33. taking a look at overseas trading. in tokyo, the nikkei was down 90 points. in hong kong, the hang seng lost 6. stocks tumbled wednesday as tensions mounted over europe's ability to solve the debt crisis. fe

there's a 2009 protocol between the department of defense and department of justice. and the ultimate decision maker is the attorney general. so all the cases i've received i've received through a decision of the attorney general of the united states. there's a process laid out in this protocol on how that's done. it looks very much like in terms of the rules that are used, the decisions that are made daily between two different jurisdictions that may have concurrent authority to try somebody in our courts, right, in fact very familiar with this as a judge advocate trying cases in fort campbell and fort bragg where we had a case that could have also been tried by the civilian courts and we had to decide who was going to get that. we had a memoranda of understanding still do with the department of justice on who is going to try these cases. there's a protocol that uses strength of interest factors, you know, who investigated the case, what are the charges that could be brought and what are the punishments for those charges. where did it take place? sometimes that's imp

>> the department of justice just looked at it and gave them the bureaucratic blind fair. >> john: they don't call us back. they refer to us officials of the department of justice. regulators did issue a statement struggling to enter a swimming pool negatively obstructs a person's independence. >> you can't even buy the equipment. >> john: and you have a portable pool lift. a disabled person, a person in a wheelchair, i am going to need help getting in the pool. i don't want somebody carrying in. i would rather have a machine, you have one. >> we did a survey of all the hotels, word came back. we have never, ever used pool lift. longest person had been 13-14 years. >> john: in 15 years royal apartments in phoenix, nobody has ever used the portable lift. >> we don't have one, mike. they called me back and said, mike, i found it. my maintenance told me we have one. so sitting there they are not being used now. why would you want to have $10,000. you are talking billions of dollars for something that really hasn't been demonstrated you need it. >> john: you are evil, you are evil, too, and

about the relationship between the justice department and the white house, but in very general terms, so let me preface by saying that there has been attention to some of the drama surrounding conflict between the former deputy attorney general and other senior justice department officials in the bush white house, involving an nsa program from the previous administration. i would note that the fbi is in a very interesting position in our government. it is undoubtedly an executive agency in article two of the constitution. on the other hand, it is designed to be somewhat insulated from day-to-day interference from people engaged in the political affairs of the nation. how would you describe the relationship or what you would say is the ideal relationship between the president and an agency like the fbi? >> it is an interesting question. i would say that one of the great things about my job is i have to be aggressively apolitical, which is wonderful. as an agency, we need to trust the american people in the work that we do an understanding that whatever we do in terms of investigations, whatever we do as the bureau is done without regard to party or poli

think of lanny brewer, at the head of the department of -- of the criminal division. we haven't had justiceere, we haven't had people held accountable to this, bill. bill: memorial weekend is two weeks from today, we'll see where it goes. thank you, jason chaffetz. martha: we've got a new twist in the search for a missing six-year-old girl in arizona, because now the police have taken her two brothers away from the father. why this happened, and what it could mean for this investigation. bill: also they called it a spray tan trial. now attorneys trying to -- throwing the whole defense out the window. how they're now saying this man's wife actually died and why police say the 911 call as you're about to hear could make or break this case. >> the -- okay, calm down. she's not breathing? how old is she? >> no, she's not breathing. >> did somebody happen? >> no. most life insurance companies look at you and just see a policy. at aviva, we do things differently. we're bringing humanity back to life insurance. that's why only aviva rewards you with savings for getting a check-up. it's our wellnes

framing a legislation, i would have to leave the ultimate decision on the legislation to the department of justice. but i do believe that the protocols established within the department of justice to protect and assure the media are adequate to accomplish that task. >> i appreciate that. and the reason i asked the question generally is because i realize that policy is set by the attorney general or the administration generally. which is why i asked you about, as a general proposition, whether it's helpful or harmful to your efforts and you have said in the past that your fbi guidelines are sufficient, others have agreed with that, i happen to agree with that and think that that is good policy. let me just conclude by reiterating the comments of both senators coal a s cole and fine about the operation of passes fifsa by the end of the year. there's a -- after the election. even though this does expire until next year, i think it would be good to do this as soon as possible. just from the standpoint of knowing what you have to do in the future, your training and law enforcement efforts and so, as so

the department of juvenile justice, i will give you that example. the department of juvenile justice, our corrections agency were juveniles, the director started implementing it. the first eight, should we drove up to the guard gate. the officer that was opening up the gates says good morning, it's a great day in south carolina. and she loved it. all the guard gate, as you're going in, they say it's a great day in south carolina. the media called the substance abuse director and said you have people with substance abuse, when you think about that. he said it's the best thing to happen. i want people to know that it's going to be okay. we are going to be all right. that is the thing. now, other victims assistance that we waved? of course, we did. those types of things. but in most cabinets come they welcomed it and appreciated it and it has given everybody is new happy life for themselves. now we celebrate our state. we brag about our state. i will tell you, it has been a great thing for south carolina. >> i want to take the prerogative of sitting up

department where he rose to the rank of captain. chief davis served on the federal monitoring seems overseeing police reform consent decrees between the u.s. department of justice, washington, d.c., and detroit. among other publications, he's co-authored the justice departmentomon graph, how to correctly collect and analyze racial profiling data. your reputation depends on it. he has a bachelor's of science degree from southern illinois university at carbondale. he testified at both the previous senate hearings on racial profiling and sorry it's been so long since we've resumed this conversation. it's an honor to have you return a few years later to bring us up to date. at this point, chief davis, the floor is yours for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. good morning, mr. chairman, and distinguished subcommittee members. i'm ronald davis, i'm currently the chief of police for the city of east palo alto, california. i am humbled to provide testimony at today's hearing. as was mentioned, i did have the honor of testifying at the last senate hearings on racial profiling in 2001. when asked to come before the committee today, the first thought that came to m

departments. and that will go a long way to solving some of the problems communities have with trust and legitimacy. so i want to talk specifically about the united states department of justice and their pattern and practice of authority. they have the authority to sue and seek injunctive relief against police departments that are engaging in patterns of unconstitutional behavior, of which racial profiling is one. of many things that police departments could be doing. and so one of these, doj has used this authority in washington, d.c., pittsburgh, los angeles, and a lot of reforms that have been gained, the reforms the department is seeking to gain, focus on implementing an early warning tracking system so if -- what one thing that we know about police agencies is when there's a problem there's a problem with a small number of officers who have repeated instances of misconduct. if we can implement an early warning tracking system, identify these officers for training, retraining or discipline, that might help our department. we can see how that would also, by making those officers accountable, alsos engender some trust and legitimacy among the community. other reforms invol

and so what we have said to the department of justice is, it's time for you to step up, because the department of justice can just, you know, just stop this dead in its tracks. and they can do that because the voting rights act allows them to do that because latino voters are targeted. so we've called on them to do it, but we've also called upon the state to stop the letters, to, you know, to cease and desist with the purges, because we know that it's unlawful because it's too close to an election. the federal law says you cannot do these purges so close toon election. and why? because we know that it's often done for partisan gain. and that's what we believe is happening now. >> think about the potential harm here. and even if the state of florida sort of got nailed for doing that. if it was found to be illegal and the state of florida got in trouble for doing it, if that happens after the election and a voter purge has a desired partisan effect on that election, i'm sure partisan elements in state government in florida would be happy to pay that price, as long as they got what they wanted ou

supreme court, this is going to be a big one. >> bill: will the department of justice hire outside counsel to do this or use their own in house people? >> they'll have to to do it inside. >> bill: i don't know if it will be hundreds of millions. >> get out your calculator. it's not going to cut it. >> bill: the resources of the department of justice that could be better spent chasing pedophiles and terrorists and bank robbers and vshlsz -- everybody else. >> they have to defend this. it's their law. >> bill: you know why this is so crazy because the obama administration could have carved a mandate out. >> that's what i'm saying. >> bill: it would have taken them a day to do it and say, you know what, catholic church, all right. we understand what your beliefs system is so for anybody under your banner, you don't have to do it. >> to be fair, they have been trying to do that. it's not been enough. they have been trying, at least they've offered a few things. >> bill: here it is. give it to me and i'll do it in a day. >> all right. >> bill: i'll do it in a day. >> i was trying to say this is

after holder became attorney general, the department of justice dismissed the charges against the partys members but did obtain an injunction against the one holding the club. holder vehemently denied race had any role in the decision and there was no evidence of political interference but obama justice department officials took the position that the voting rights laws did not protect whites, only minorities. >> white voters have an interest of being able to go to the polls without having race haters standing at the entrance of a polling place with a billy club in his hand hurling racial slurs at voters. >> he no longer works with the justice department. he is in private practice. the state of south carolina recently to defend the state against his old boss. >> there is nothing i want more to make sure everybody that wants to vote can. >> eric: coming up, did illegal votes by felons give democrats what they needed to ultimately make the obama agenda long. an eye-opening investigation after the break. >> eric: many of cases we oo many of the cases we told you about involve races where it

you know, i worked in the public integrity section in the department of justice. i serve now on the ethics committee. so i've always believed that public service is a public trust. while the vast majority of your employees are honest and hard working, unfortunately, the actions of a few bad apples tainted the entire organization. and the purpose of this hearing is not to taint the overall organization at all. but rather to look at the specific abuses and determine how can we fix the problem. and i'll go with each agency. i'll start with you, mr. winkowski. cbp, you know, the allegations of border patrol agencies, cbp officers working with drug traffickers to facilitate their business is just unconscionable. and you know the threat from a national security standpoint. you know they're trying to infiltrate our organization. i want to first ask you about your polygraphs that you do conduct with employees prior to employment. if you can elaborate on what some of your findings have been in terms of these pre-employment screenings. >> yes, thank you very much, mr. chairm

because i have been able to create long standing relationships with agency officials, the department of justice, and the congress. i have also worked hard to establish partnerships with state and local i.g.s in law enforcement as part of my duties with the fraud enforcement task force. examples of some of the steps i have been able to take include the following. in 2008 i formed the office of forensic auditing, to employ no, no vative auditing and investigative techniques and develop evidence that meets admissibility standards for prosecution in federal courts. in 2011 we began a criminal intelligence program to augment our investigative activities by consolidating our information gathering efforts and serving as a force multiplier for our special agents around the country. we integrated our hot line into this so that a trained investigative analyst looks at every complaint an tip to identify trends and connections to other open cases. addition additionally, our partnership broadens you are agents' ability to spot bribery cases and kickbacks. i appreciate the time and effort that went into conf