and another one of deperno's i.t. experts claims in a court case he forensically examined dominion voting systems in arizona, michigan, colorado, and georgia. secretary of state benson says her state gave information to the department of justice. >> i think we've seen on every level a lot of evidence that this is a nationally coordinated effort, whether it's to try to gain access to our voting machines, whether it is trying to run candidates who are spouting misinformation to become chief election officers. >> reporter: in michigan, not only is deperno running for attorney general, the republican nominees for governor, lieutenant governor and secretary of state all say they believe the meritless claim the 2020 election was fraudulent. should they win, they would control upcoming elections. in fact, 27 states have an election denier running for a position that could influence elections. >> we're in a very dangerous moment right now. if people who are running on a platform of election denial, telling their voters that t

and another one of deperno's i.t.tes in sko, georgia, florida. her state gave tphfdz to the department of justice. >> i think we have seen on every level a lot of evidence that this is a nationally coordinated effort, whether it is gaining access to our voting machines, trying to run candidates to become chief election officers. >> reporter: in michigan not only is he running for attorney general, the republican nominees for governor, lieutenant governor and secretary of state all say they believe the meritless flame the 2020 election was fraudulent. should they win, they would control upcoming elections. in fact, 27 states have an election denier running for a position that could influence elections. >> we're in a very dangerous moment right now. if people who are running on a platform of election denial telling their voters that they will in fact, put their thumb on the scale to ensure that their candidates win, we could have a problem with address in the united states. >> reporter: david becker said the danger is n

in an email the clerk of barre county michigan, deperno told her he would need to collect the ballotsder seal and he said they would be opening the ballot bags and receiling them. the clerk refused. michigan's results were not only certified, local audits and a state senate record found no evidence of systematic fraud. >> the report is adopted. >> what's so alarming is dedms perno's thought that he was in an investigation for identity theft and protected damage to a computer. also name, mike lindell, the my pillow guy. >> just a man. >> reporter: who's been one of the most vocal spreaders of lies of voting machines. in georgia, they shows his i.t. expert, remember, the guy from the video, in a restricted area of an elections office where voting machines were breached and another one of deperno's i.t. experts. he claims he looked at dominion's machines in arizona, michigan, colorado, and georgia. secretary of state benson said her state gave information to the department of justice. >> i think we've seen on every level that this is a nationally coordinated evidence, whether it is tryin

in michigan, the republican candidate for attorney general, matthew deperno not only denies the election results -- he's also under criminal investigation for potentially tampering with voting machines. sounds familiar? used in 2020. so, it's not just my pillow guy and his goofy acolytes. these are people who, like tina peters, could pose a serious threat to democratic legitimacy, to the administration of our elections. and they are gunning for real power. jena griswold is secretary of state in colorado. she also chairs the democratic association of secretaries of state. and she joins me now. secretary griswold, it is good to have you. first, one thing that strikes me as i think about what happened in 2020 and i think about the number of people that signed up for this almost cult like obsession with the election, is that tina peter sticks out as a relatively rare example of an actual official who went along with it. i mean, in most cases, across the ideological spectrum, seeing in your state of colorado, it does seem like officialdom held that the people who were tasked with his very imp