they argue that regarding and deprogram, and is this a disagreement over statistics or something else driving that position? it is sometimes very hard to decipher what is going on. >> to the top level science engineering, it is hard to argue that they create products that people manufacturing and service. that is where the union membership needs to be. not totally, but generally. what is clearly true in this country is that farmers are moving out of the country. there is the argument a union would make that if you raise the compensation. the problem is that people would not by its most people in america just aren't going to work a backbreaking job, a low- paying job that is all the market will support. temporary workers come here for three of four months. if we can't get them, the farmer doesn't grow his crops. i think they would tell you that it would not be satisfactory. that is what farmers needed, and if they can't get it, they will move their jobs south of the border. but you can get produce from around the world today. it flies. what you have to do is work with the unions, under