one of the biggest powerhouses in the mainstream media environment with the new york times, the der spiegel obama , the justice department obama, the justice department under eric holder did look into the matter whether they should open a prosecution against julian. and they came to the conclusion that would be just a too much a danger to the first amendment principle. they actually called it the new york times problem, because there was no distinction being made between what julian did and what the new york times , our the new york times, our collaborators, our media, co—workers in the project were doing . doing. >> greg, surely this is a situation from which the us administration must extract itself . itself. >> yeah, i would agree. i mean, for the american government, the us government to be involved in this kind of censorship or, or the threat to publishers, you know, not just wikileaks publishers life . it's. yeah. and publishers life. it's. yeah. and it's really done great damage . it's really done great damage. and i think, you know, we've seen and i agree with you, kristen, you know