derek black, welcome to hardtalk.our book is called the klansman�*s son, and yourfamily as a whole were close to david duke, who's one of the most notorious ku klux klan leaders. the anti—defamation league has called him perhaps america's best known racist and anti—semite. describe for us first the home and the environment in which you grew up, in florida in the 1990s. right, thanks for having me. i grew up in a place that i think often doesn't look like what most people expect. it was relatively urban. it was in south florida, it was very racially diverse. i lived in a neighbourhood with people from lots of different countries, and although i grew up in an anti—semitic movement, there was a very largejewish population in the area. and that was ok for my family, because their world view is what separated them from the rest of the country. it was that they saw themselves as a part of a movement that they had been building since decades before i was born, and they wanted to continue it into the future. and they married

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and has derek black found a new purpose as well as a new identity?

revolution, protection, force, flight and joy derek and i readily admit even these chapters are not fully accessible and we have a much at our disposal, or blacky own personal experiences, revolution, force, fight, protection and joy has worked out in my life and worked effectively. but i've also seen how it worked throughout history, how black people used revolution, not just in -- the haitian revolution, how the underground railroad and abolitionist movement was about protection. how when we think about the long freedom struggle in the civil rights union, we think about the beacons of self- defense. and i wanted to think about the things we don't think about like flight, how when black people leave, they choose to say not on my watch, i'm leaving and they flee the south or they flee rural areas to urban areas or flee the country altogether like james baldwin or josephine baker, they go to paris or black panthers to go to africa. the last chapter looks at july. it looks at how joy can be a weapon. how joy fortifies ourselves against the erosion of white supremacy. >> i want to go back to your point about nonviolent resistance. you talk about

black children? and it was a moment because i have arge floyd. the first thing we have to do is analyze it in, the appropriate context. george floyd and the arrest of derekin. that's accountability. that's not and i'm very particular language justice is george floyd still being here? accountability is what we okay. now that's a good thing. and but we need to we need to it as such. but without the audacity that. 17 year old girl having her camera out and that battery still being charged. yeah without withoutinutes of of chauvin having his knee on his neck out for his mother as he's dying. and then wit in covid cove, it played a huge role in reaction of george floyd because you you could not turn away from it. you couldn't do your daily task. you■7 had to look and watch that over and over and, over and over again. and then the world came out in thstoh, and it took all of thatt have accountability.an wait a minute. the world came out in the streets. london. oh, every australia, baltimore. i was like, we hadn't had a vaccine at that time and some people weren't even wearing masks. i know my kids were like, i'm going to march. oh, yeah. your daughter was out

mississippi is naacp president and ceo, derek johnson, thank you for your time this morning, let's talk about a recent cbs poll, based on the exit polls from 2020 that showed black share of vote in key groups, biden share of votes in key groups, according to the exit polls, his support was 87%. in 2024 according to a cbs news poll, it is now at 76%. why do you think that is?>> first of all, you have to believe the premise of the validity of the polls, they have not been accurate and really accounting for the sentiments of americans in general, particularly african americans, we have seen over the last cycles, the polls got it wrong, remember in 2012, it showed that romney was winning the election, only for the outcome to be very different. for the naacp, we move away from the notion of exit polls and traditional polling because they have proven to be undeniable. we do care about african americans participating in this election cycle as important for all citizens to be able to cast an effective ballot and that is what we focus on.>> when you talk to black voters or members of your group, what are they telling you about their support for the president?>> as a nonp

derek is cooking breakfast. ., breakfast. what is on the menu? sausa . e, breakfast. what is on the menu? sausage. haggis. _ breakfast. what is on the menu? sausage, haggis, blackorning- _ bacon. you are ticking all the boxes this morning. breakfast _ bacon. you are ticking all the boxes this morning. breakfast of- this morning. breakfast of champions. and hopefully scotland will produce a performance to match. swiss roll. i tell you what. he is firing up the gas now. we are ready to go this morning. studio: do not stand too close. they will have quite a day. a very long day. it is a complicated breakfast thing going on. variety. here's carol. will scotland fans here have the weather we have seen in germany? it weather we have seen in germany? it will not be too bad over the next days. some showers and rain but that is it. this morning we have cloud. it will break up through the day. we will have sunny spells. it will feel warmer after a cold start. the temperatures at the moment... braemar, three, plymouth, ten. pollen levels are high or very high. grass pollen and some weed. we have cloud in southern scotland and northern england. it is currently producing dr