trump's trial is about the derek chauvin trial.he nature of the defense is extraordinarily different, and you are well aware of the potential for his antics. how do you look at the fact that the former president of the united states, if donald trump specifically did that factor into whether you think there ought to be cameras in that courtroom? >> he has, i think because of those facts that you mentioned, those facts work in favor of cameras in the courtroom and telecasting that trial. because look, there are literally millions of people that might believe he is innocent and there are some who think he is guilty. let's look at the evidence. let's let everybody see the evidence so we can squash rumor and suspicion and the far out interpretation. let's just have it all put out for the world to see and if trump wants to testify he can do that. but i think that the country will accept the verdict whatever it is if this trial is televised and the world can see. people think that things are doing being done unfairly, they will see it. if

in the summer of 2020, we also the images of, as wayne was saying a moment ago, officer derek chauvin suffocating and killing george floyd. that murder felt personal to my family. my wife grew up in inner-city houston. she grew up on neighborhood away from george floyd. george grew up in the third ward , she grew up in the 50 word. george was the same age as her, 46. sonia had cousins who went to the same high school as george. her dear friend and cousin, derek, remember george as the tight end on the yates football team that made it to the state championship. so i tell you all that to tell you this. george's murder was the first time that my wife and i decided to let our kids see that this was part of the black experience. our twin boys were then nine, our daughter was then 11 and our twin boys in particular had a lot of questions about what they saw that day. it started with, are all cops bad? are all cops racist? as the questions became hours and then days, they evolved and they sort of took a step down toward self-hatred. what does this mean for my life? am i inferior in some way?

that america, while reflecting on a photo of minneapolis police officer derek chauvin suffocating, george floyd, paul is shocked by its parallels to the iconic may 1963 photo of a black teenager in birmingham, alabama, being attacked by a white officer and an aggressive shepherd. these similarities motivated to uncover the legacy and full history behind the historic civil rights photograph. paul's book light on the strategy of the 1963 ten week southern christian leadership conference campaign end segregation led by dr. martin luther jr. king, along with white walker, fred shuttlesworth and james bevel, joined the efforts of the alabama christian movement for human rights to launch the birmingham campaign together, they sought to bring national attention to the efforts to desegregate public facilities in birmingham, as detailed in book, paul is the first to reveal the method of project. see the marches demonstrate and sit ins that followed led to many arrests of the adults who were active in the movement and the pivotal moment in the movement. oclc recruited children to carry the cause. p

in june of 2020, george floyd being by officer derek chauvin. as i said, my wife, son issues from inner city houston. she grew up one neighborhood over from george. george up in third ward. sanneh grew up in fifth ward. george sonja were the same age 46. sonia had friends, relatives. dear, dear cousins who went to yates high, george's high school. sonia's cousin. derek knew george back then, knew him as the tight end on state championship plane football team at yates high. we have three kids at the time, twin boys were nine. our was 11 years old and tell you all of this because george murder felt personal to us because of sonya's connection to houston, to that neighborhood. and as a result of that george's murder was the first time that we as parents did not shield our kids from black men and black women who are being killed by law enforcement officers whose deaths were captured by body cam footage or cell phones. george's murder was the first time that we all sat on cnn and we watched him die. our kids had a lot of questions about that. our twi

i mean, trump's trial is not the derek chauvin trial. the nature of the offenses are extraordinarily different. your aware of the potential, how do you deal with the fact that it is the former president of the united states, donald trump specifically, how do you factor in whether there should be cameras in that courtroom? >> yes, i think because of this fact you mentioned those facts work in favor of cameras in the courtroom, and telecasting that trial, because look, there are many people, literally millions, who might believe that he is innocent and there are some who think he is guilty. let's look at the evidence. let's let everybody see the evidence, so that we can squash rumor and suspicion and fire out interpretation. let's just have it for all the world to see so that if trump wants to testify he can do that. but i think that the country will accept the verdict, whatever it is, if he-- if this trial is televised on the world can see. i mean, people think things are being done unfairly, they will see it. and if they think the trial