we begin this evening with syria and talk to derek chollet and robert ford. >> we've got to deliver real pain on assad. and i think there's also the russian calculation as robert just mentioned. there is no question russia, which is more engaged in syria today than it was four or five years ago in terms of number of personnel on the ground, knew that assad had this stock pile, or there is every reason to believe that we knew he had it. the question is whether they were surprised by this use of chemical weapons. and if in fact they're angry that he has done it because it has put them in a terrible position. >> we continue with et approximater baker of "the new york times." >> it's not that hard to find statements from the campaign trail where he said you know, syria is not america's problem. we shouldn't go there, where he said we should be working closely with russia and stop alienating them. where he said, you know, china shouldn't be invited to dinner, they're our enemy. an here in the last week alone he has involved us more in syria's civil war than ever before, the first american mil

we begin this evening with syria and talk to derek chollet and robert ford. >> we've got to deliver realand i think there's also the russian calculation as robert just mentioned. there is no question russia, which is more engaged in syria today than it was four or five years ago in terms of number of personnel on the ground, knew that assad had this stock pile, or there is every reason to believe that we knew he had it. the question is whether they were surprised by this use of chemical weapons. and if in fact they're angry that he has done it because it has put them in a terrible position. >> we continue with et approximater baker of "the new york times." >> it's not that hard to find statements from the campaign trail where he said you know, syria is not america's problem. we shouldn't go there, whe

joining me from washington is derek chollet.ere in new york is robert ford, a former ambassador to syria. i'm pleased to have both of them. let me begin with the obvious. tell me your assessment of this straight. -- strike. was a: i think the strike good idea. i saw a statement from secretary of defense metta's that it destroyed -- matches that it destroyed 20% of their airplanes. but he played a price -- paid a price. -- it is determined to a limited, defined, discrete objectives and i think it needed to be done. now it is up to secretary tillerson to get the russians to understand we are serious, and for the russians to turn to their syrian allies and say to not keep doing this. charlie: do you think that will happen? robert: i don't think the russians are happy that ass ad used chemical weapons. i think the russians are trying to get them to get rid of it. charlie: do you think they are complicit in that they knew they had access to chemical weapons? robert: i think they knew that very well. a question that if they had them.

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