right now and joins me now derek plummer can you hear me. ok. and great to have you and your reaction to it and especially i'm guessing what you may call the police reaction or i guess trying to prevent this from happening which presumably isn't a massive surprise really considering that thousands of people have turned out to protest against the certification of the vote. sure listen i protested on the grounds of the u.s. capitol peaceful protests works at the u.s. capitol i worked at the democratic national committee which is around the corner i've never seen anything like this and it is disgraceful it is shameful what the president of the united states has fomented in in the form of donald trump he lost a fair and free election he made it very clear that he was not going to go quietly into the night and what we are seeing is what we see when we don't have law and we don't have a functioning democracy and what i would say is that what this moment shows us and tells us that democracy is so fragile even with the united states it is fragile. and i