st. pierre, you have three minutes. >> thank you, commissioners, derek st. pierre for the appellant. i wanted to address a couple of things, first off, we did present at the director's hearing specifically after the incident on this, there was an employee meeting and retraining occurred the very next day. in essence, there are mr. habash and a single other employee that work there the two of them met the next day, sat down and were very specific about what needed to occur prior to any sales of either tobacco or electronic cigarette devices so that specific di did occur after the incident. i also wanted to just reiterate that there have been no violations whatsoever in the history of his operations of business and that associated with the sale of this device was the first violation that has ever been alleged and oddly enough in hearing from the police officer, the lieutenant, i believe, the gentleman said that if someone were to sell a pipe, this is not the type of case that we would enforce. i agree the laws have changed, we have moved into 2015, but you have an individual who's been

er >> good afternoon, commissioners, good morning, my name is derek st. pierre, i stand here with mr. habash, before i get into the specifics of this manner, a history of regulation of these cigarette ins san fra*bs these cigarettes are relatively new device which have been regulated by the state of california and the city and county of san francisco and the city and the responsive papers as exhibit a were kind enough to provide you with a copy of the 2014 mailer that went out on this actual subject matter regarding electronic cigarettes, and if you take a look at actually this 2014 informational sheet it does not really provide an explanation of what an electronic cigarette is. further, in terms of recent mailing that have gone up mr. habash just received a copy dated march 12th of this year and i have additional copies if the board would like copies of it, but in essence, this is an updated mailer from the department of public health outlining e cigarettes and the only real reference to that is on the back where here it does in fact define tobacco products and