state you for you over the drug break through could be short lift us, get introduced with that, derek williamson, dw science. welcome, derrick. so how will these drugs be use instead of pure sickly? well i'm, as we just heard the in the future m d m a which has come is also a name for x to say can be used for post traumatic stress disorder. and so was 5 and can be used for, for treatment resistance depression. now these are both the conditions for which there are no really effective treatments but, but the experts emphasize over and over that the drug is actually sort of them. it's only the means to an end and emphasize that the therapy is actually a big, big part of what's going on sort of 40 sound or 40 hours of therapy before during, and after this psychedelic experience that the patients have sometimes more than once and, and, and they're emphasizing that, that is actually what is going to be helping the people really it's a tool that fits kind of taps into into the patients consciousness and, and that's not one that's on dispute. it, you know, the, there are also experts out there that say