who have more to say than you know talking about their open stories, i will talk with derrick van orden later in the show. and what he did well, and how he flipped a district that has been blue for a long time. you know he used a different playbook than a lot of candidates. our environment is not one size fits all. richard we try to rely on history as a guide, but we're in such strange times this was so much polling and so much data, so many anecdotes that lead everyone to believe it would be a a redder wave than it was. >> i think that is a good point, beyond independents what polls do is take a snap shot in time and talk to folks with land lines and lakely voters, we saw new registrants people never polled young people. african-americans who never been polled. showing up in record number, they voted for candidates who the folks de didn't think would win in michigan for example they voted in whitmer and flipped house and senate of michigan to democratic party, it has not been flipped since 1983 and a congressional seat in michigan and holding off republicans, that says voters say, we w