las vegas is also thinking about using desalinization. they could trade with los angeles. >> there are current discussions to bring the water up to arizona. >> arizona has a slightly worse problem from the colorado situation. >> this will also have an impact on -- >> when we come back to our ratepayers and say, here is how much money it might cost to respond, we need to have done our homework and that is what the current phase of our work is about. >> can you talk about this project? >> this is the metropolitan transportation commission. for agencies that always has concerns over regional issues related to climate change, both mitigation and significantly on adaptation, they are very concerned about sea level increase. i have been to one of their meetings. they have had two. we are working closely to influence the state process because they are a bit of an adjunct of the state. they are trying to focus adaptation efforts to get people talking to each other and get people collaborating about what kind of science they're using and the adapt

what about desalinization, the source is less effected by climate change than fresh water. it presents design issues but water manager cans plan around that. the key issue is, energy. desalination is energy intensive and those will be increasingly scrutinizeed the future because of climate issues. it's about one third in southern california next most sensitive operation but that gap is shrinking rapidly and it's conceivable in a decade or sooner, it might take less to de sal has been declining and we may actually at some point reach a breaking point that a lot of folks did not think was possible and we might be able to invest in desalination, it's really interesting potential development. next slide. what that means, is when you look at how it will effect the full range of water management tools available of tools that rely on snow,pack, traditional resources will perform more poorly with de sal as the wild card there. the good news here - and i brought that the sources we believe are the sources with the greatest potential in the future. this shows the potential yield from

we are not going to do desalination. where is the water going to come from? conservation is pretty much a done deal now. i think it is an important topic and i urge you to have a hearing. >> is there any additional general public comment? >> for the record, that was not my house. >> i neglected to thank staff, especially kirsten, sarah, and jessica for all of their work last three years on the housing element. i want to thank them for all of that incredible work. they have been heroic in this effort as well as susan and the rest of the city attorney's. thank you all for this. thank you, commissioners, for your actions. >> i also wanted to thank you, having been through the earlier housing element in 2003-2004. in much better time around. >> general public comment is closed, obviously. meeting is adjourned.

i meant to ask maurine, she described the - well, what i want to know is are they valuing the desalination, not one of them i've seen accounts for rising sea level example. it might be done for some but not all of them. are they be evaluated underhigher temperature scenarios. are the yield numbers being evaluated that. are the ones under existing scenarios and i'd like to know that and if the answer is, no, it ought to be. it will effect the economic decisions made and ultimately investments in part infrastructure. we may choose not to do many things differently, and accept a higher level of risk, but i would argue that if we're smart we will do things differently to reduce exposure for the future. >> just because it came out yesterday. the department of water resources has done a number of runs with reservoirs in inflows in the sierra area and it's 30 percent of inflows likely from today. the worst case is a reduction of 19 percent a big reduction. upstream at, fulsom, yesterday it was like ten billion dollars to build that reservoir and that's a great example for water managers to take w

. >> that they do have some very unique -- also on desalinization, there are concerns about that out there. if that is why the review is in place. >> we have talked about the constructed wetlands before. i am a big fan because they provide a big service and they can really help to mitigate. i would encourage our waste water team to be looking at wetlands opportunities along the bay and what we might be able to at least pilot sooner rather than later. >> the problem is that even with sophisticated screening on the intake, you kill all of the microorganisms that are at the bottom of the food chain. specifically, they are looking at a point as a location. that has enough industry there, i think that we should consider those thanks before we site plans. it was a very interesting presentation. i learned that the puc spends money on a report which i have been trying to get a copy of for over a year. this was done in two components, this is a model in report. originally, they used the climate change model and decided that it was not sufficient. this was accurate for the -- modeling and they

. >> what is the salinization fitting into this -- where does desalinization fit into this? >> there are strategies for water providers, especially in the west. those things seem to be approaches that make us less reliant on water falling from the sky or from flows in a river. we all know over the last 30 years -- >> where are we with that? >> as a new member, i don't know -- >> we have people that can answer this much better than i can. >> we are working with the park district and the disability -- municipality district on a regional project where we are evaluating establishing the project across the county that we can share to define what can be produced from that facility to determine if this is cost- effective. we completed a call it -- a pilot project last year. we are looking at what this could mean for us and other entities across the area. >> when i was a junk assembly man, this is an area that i was very -- when i was a young assembly man, this was an area that i was very interested in. this was because of the cost and not the nature of the technology. we have no re

. >> what is the salinization fitting into this -- where does desalinization fit into this? >> there are strategies for water providers, especially in the west. those things seem to be

the huge desalination unit on the "essex" turns salt water into drinking water. just one of the ship's capabilities when it comes to helping survivors after disasters on the scale of japan's earthquake and tsunami. >> being stationed in japan, the mission here was to help our japanese allies, partners and friends, and families in many cases, is very moving. >> reporter: delivering humanitarian aid is routine for pilots and crews here. but this mission has been complicated by the threat of radiation that hangs in the air from the fukushima nuclear power plant. >> we've got the training. we've got the equipment to deal with the radiation, so it's really just an afterthought. you know, it's in the back of our minds but it's not something that's going to slow us down. >> reporter: but they're reminds of the risks when they get back. each person who comes on board is checked for radiation exposure. >> it's really not changing how we do things. because we trained in this kind of environment. we do annual training all the time in this type of environment. now that we're

from farms to cities so that will buy as more time but eventually we have to look at things like desalinization in the sea of cortez war on the pacific coast as a way to get more water supplies and so i am sure that is where things are headed. we can't grow limitless and without end. there has to be some an end point. >> got to get a test here. and my okay? >> a little lauder pleased. >> we are 400 parts per million or just below of co2 in the atmosphere expected to double by mid century. is that correct? >> 400 from the original 280. >> so we are expected to be 5 or 600. by the end of the century may be 700. >> quite feasible based on what we're doing. >> you mentioned that parts per million exceeded 1 thousand in the mid cretaceous period or the war times. if we are heading in a naturally warmer time anyway could you talk a little bit about what the human impact is and what might have been the natural increase in co2 as compared to the increase? we only have a minute or so left. >> that gets back to the other idea we were talking about. we would normally be made be in a few thousand years hea

from farms to cities so that will buy as more time but eventually we have to look at things like desalinization in the sea of cortez war on the pacific coast as a way to get more water supplies and so i am sure that is where things are headed. we can't grow limitless and without end. there has to be some an end point. >> got to get a test here. and my okay? >> a little lauder pleased. >> we are 400 parts per million or just below of co2 in the atmosphere expected to double by mid century. is that correct? >> 400 from the original 280. >> so we are expected to be 5 or 600. by the end of the century may be 700. >> quite feasible based on what we're doing. >> you mentioned that parts per million exceeded 1 thousand in the mid cretaceous period or the war times. if we are heading in a naturally warmer time anyway could you talk a little bit about what the human impact is and what might have been the natural increase in co2 as compared to the increase? we only have a minute or so left. >> that gets back to the other idea we were talking about. we would normally be made be in a few thousand years hea