>> professor desch, what than?hifting, you know, i'm sure christiane did not mean to imply that history began in 2014, but a lot of the discussion -- >> no, but i say it, professor. >> no. but it's interesting that that's where you began the discussion of the current contretemps with putin and nato. >> it's not, professor. you're wrong. it's not where i started. i said for decades the u.s. presidents have said there needs to be a fairer burden sharing. but i said that in 2014, after the ends of the cold war when europe felt that the world was getting safer, that maybe they didn't need to spend so much on european defense. and by the way, the united states has never wanted the eu to have its own separate military. let's call a spade a spade. the world was changing after 1989. the collapse of the soviet union. it changed back again, thanks to the president of russia, who the president of the united states seems to think is his ally. >> and that's the point. no, no, no. >> professor, finish your thought. >> yeah, if i