a professional such as law, land use, professional desgin. -- design. it sounds like a really good description of mr. johns' qualifications. it is a stretch to see him as qualified for seat number 4. it states a very specific requirement of a professional historian. he has a great interest. he has experience. but he is not a professional historian. i think you have heard a description of what a professional historian would be. a historian is defined not by definitions but of the secretary of interior's qualification statements. i don't know if you have in front of you, but the minimum professional qualification is a graduate degree in history are closely related field. or a bachelor's degree in history with one of the following. two years in writing, teaching, interpretation or demonstrable activity. with a bachelor's degree in history. think about what the related field could be. it would have to be closely related. [chime] thank you. >> good afternoon, members of the committee. i would like to know if there is no question about his passion and dedicat