that whole industry is desmet. >> we have some ideas for you. on another topic, project labor agreements, and i suspect we will see eye to eye on this -- >> you never know. >> it's important you understand, you mentioned that pla's a welcome news for all workers but that is not what i'm hearing from the 87% of nonunion workers in construction. this administration, their executive order on pla is mandating them. my challenge is to limit the pool of qualified bidders primarily to one stream of bidders and i can have impacts not just for taxpayers for people who are working and they won't have a chance at a job at a good job. washington state the unionization rate is relatively high at 18%. 18%. in washington state is not exactly a red state, right? i am in no way -- i have family members who work in the trades who are part of unions. that is not my issue but i am pro-worker editing pro competition. what i'm concerned about is the key allies are really going to disenfranchise the 80% of nonunion contractors smaller mom-and-pop industries, again i h