hezbollah key ally in lebanon has been decapitated three times over, desmet in terms of its forest. you have relations with hamas, hamas leadership has been destroyed. the infrastructure been destroyed. the whole idea of the axis of resistance, these militia groups, these substate actors that we're going to push back against israel, against the gulf arabs, american interests, it all seems to be much, much weaker than it was before. i'm sure you're going to disagree so tell me why. >> well, first of all, let me make two points because we don't have much time. first point, in 1982, if you can remember, sharon invaded lebanon, pushed all the way in beirut. because in 78 he pushed all the way to the river and order to prevent the palestinians from getting into israel. and then in 82 he went all the way to beirut in order to basically decimate the palestinian resistance. if you remember, he sent -- to exile. so what happened? from 1981-1987 islamic jihad was born in 81. 81. hezbollah was born in 82, and hamas was born between 85 and 87. so i wouldn't suggest anybody to start rejoicing ov