. >> let's bring in captain desmond ross. he joins us via skype from sydney australia. i just -- my heart goes out to the families who are watching this looking for any bit of news they can. my heart goes out to the families who saw on indonesian television bodies and debris floating behind them. we are not showing those pictures. we can say an exit door and pieces of aluminum. pieces of a life jacket floating. does this give you any indication of this plane was in tact or when it crashed into the sea or broke up in the air. what clues are you gathering from this information? >> the flight as looks like it broken up in flight. i don't imagine it landed in tact. if it landed at level attitude t would have been spread more. i think looking, i have seen some of the raw footage myself and it looks to me it is quite coming in at a fairly steep angle. i doubt very much that the passengers or crew knew a great deal. >> the steep angle, the debris in a relate tvly compact area. there are bodies in the water. we are not showing pictures of the water which indicates the fuselage

let's go to captain desmond ross an aviation expert in sydney australia. now we're getting more information from the head of the search and rescue. day three here is it foolish to think that anybody may have survived this? >> i regret to say i would not expect to see any survivors. the aircraft is clearly broken up. it would be something of a america miracle if we do find any, but fingers crossed. but it looks as though of what i've seen so far suggest, it's hit the water at some speed and broken up which perhaps indicates a fall from almost a vertical dive or possibly it's broken up if flight before hitting the water. we won't know that until the pieces are brought out or recovered as much as possible and examined carefully by the investigators. but it's a very sad ending to an unfortunate incident. >> it seems to be the most likely outcome here. how long now do you think before they recover the flight data recorders before they get to the rest of the fuselage before they start piecing it all together? >> not too long. i would expect that given that we're

. >> thank you so much for that analysis captain desmond ross.in with you if we get any more information. we'll also have much more on the ongoing snerj the java sea a little bit later. but first, let's check on some other headlines we're following here on cnn. authorities in western kaubd say a man kale kilned eight people before taking his own life. edmonton police say it's the biggest mass murder there in nearly 60 years. nine bodies were found in three separate crime scenes. one woman was found at a residence monday night and several more victims including two children were found in a second location overnight. the man believed to be the suspect was later found dead inside a restaurant. police say the man's family members had feared he was suicidal. and the pentagon says that it has sent five prisoners from the u.s. prison in guantanamo bay cuba to kazakhstan for resettlement. three of men are from yemen, two from dunisia and spent more than a decade at the facility. the u.s. has stepped up efforts to shut down the prison and transferred more

based on what we do know we asked aviation expert captain desmond ross what may have hapted to flight501. here's what he told us. >> you've got two choices, really the aircraft in high altitude or it arrives at the surface of the water still impact and an attempt to land it. or it went straight in nose first. in either case the aircraft would not remain intact even if it landed at a level altitude there's no way it's going to remain intact given the waves the that speed, well in excess of 100 knots. even if some kind of control would have hit the waves, 100, 150 knots, the aircraft would break up. the water is basically like concrete at that speed. so i'm a little puzzled with how -- why the aircraft struck that point. i'm also particularly puzzled having seen some of the raw images taken by the searchers yesterday, one of the bodies in particular two i think that i spotted, were not clothed. and this to me indicating that they'd fallen. it's quite a common occurrence when a body falls through space, through the air, it reaches a total velocity that is very high. 200 miles an hour, ma

. >> well let's bring in captain desmond ross a former pilot and aviation security expert who joins usustralia. captain ross good to have you with us. as we look at the situation at hand right now, we hear this news. again, we want to stress to your viewers, it's not confirmed, but the head of the indonesian search and rescue agency saying he believes it's his guess at this point, that the aircraft is at the bottom of the sea. what do you make of what search and rescue operators are facing right now? >> it can be very difficult. i worked in that area for ten years. i know the indonesian nation quite well and the conditions. some of those thunderstorms can get up to 60 65,000 feet. they're enormous. the winds and the waves on the water will be quite high. it's difficult to find stuff in rolling water, boiling water sometimes. so the conditions are difficult. i'm very interested in the comment that he thinks it could be at the bottom of the ocean. i think i know why he's suggesting that. there's been no mention at all of any broadcast from the emergency locator transmit nerter in the tai

desmond ross was a former pilot and joins me on the line from sydney australia. let's talk about this area that pilots fly in and out of all the time. and i kind talking to many pilots and aviation analysts who say among the areas you fly in and out of on our planet this one can be extremely tricky with the massive thunderstorms this time of year with the monsoon season which is especially dangerous. have you flown this thisin this region before? >> caller: i've lived and operated in this area for a good 20 areas in one way or another. i lived in indonesia the last ten years. weather can be very violent. we get massive thunderstorms, and the monsoon is in full swing at the moment. will produce thunderstorms that will climb as well as 65,000 feet which is above the area where aircraft can reach. military aircraft can get up that high on occasions and go over it but civil aircraft would divert around such a thunderstorm. it wouldn't try to climb over. it would avert to the left or to the right of the storm and try to avoid it. but at this time of the year you can h

desmond rogers. he is with dra professional aviation services. captain ross thank you for being with us. the word that we're getting now from this indonesian official is that this plane is most likely at the bottom of the ocean. if that is the case what does that tell you about what may or may not have happened to this plane? >> well, one of the things that's been concerning me since yesterday is that we've heard no reports of an emergency transponder beacon going off. that beacon should be triggered on impact whether it's on land or water. they should be sensing with satellite and be picked up with a number of stations around the world. that tells us there's an emergency and also gives a rough location of the accident so they can home in on it as well. i suspect this is one of the reasons that the indonesian official is saying it might be at the bottom of the sea. because that has not been heard, it could suggest that the aircraft has gone into the water very quickly and gone straight under. if it had gone on the surface of the ocean and floated for a period of time it should have trans