>> when you were starting the elders, these are people who don't hold public office any more, desmond tutu said i did not know peter gabe bre yell from a bar of soap? confused. >> when i met him for the first time on his friend, sir richard bransom's island in the virgin islands. what is his correct? he has a heart. we would give him our highest accolade and say he has obuntu, that marvelous quality that speaks of compassion and generosity, about sharing, about hospitality, that's what bishop desmond tutu said about you. i think there are a lot of people who would even like for him to know where they are? >> i am pretty good pr. he is an amazing man that's been -- a lot of the elders were all of them in their own ways are just extraordinary people to be around, and i feel very privileged, you know, when we can listen in to the meeting some of the time. >> what is in your heart? why are you doing all of this? it's a bigger part of your life think? >> it's about a third, a third, a third with this benefit work, music and tech. i love tech stuff. and i think to me, i think it's my dad's genes

let me just finish with a wonderful anecdote from desmond tutu. he thought with nelson mandela to change south africa. i just wish that i could have the energy and to laugh with such enthusiasm as desmond tutu. but he told me something beautiful. i asked him, so what should we learn from you? what should we learn within the hispanic community from the struggles in south africa and he told me, what you have to know is that it does not matter what happens, at the end you are going to win. and that is just wonderful. that is just fantastic. the idea that at the end you are absolutely convinced that you're going to win. each one of the rebels i include in the book but especially the dreamers, they knew at the end they were going to win. i think think the idea behind the book i include i interviewed more than 30 people that i include for the book. i tried to draw a lesson from each one, i think the most important lesson as a rebel i learned from my mother, she is 82, she is still walking and very dangerously, but she is still driving. [laughter] but wh

desmond tutu.o, it means something. do mostly people own their homes or do they rent? >> mostly people own their homes. >> things start to get a little money, things start to get better. can you build up? >> you can build up. >> look at the streets here and you see what that kind of pride does. it may not be a rich area, but it's immaculate. squared away. an emerging middle class coming up, rather than fleeing to elsewhere. >> you have a nice day. >> you too. >> bye. >> these ladies over here you can see they marketing for their stalls. >> you know where you're going, right? >> yeah, i know where i'm going. >> next exit? smoky delicious meat over flame. under the overpass, all sorts of mystery meats for sale. the taxi man's lunch. we order some brisket, some sausage, some heart. beautiful thing. meat, a cutting board, a knife. >> cut all the meat in pieces. meat. you pick your meat at the butcher counter. choose t-bone, rum steak. spicy sausage made from beef and pork. >> and they mask it. the secr

let me just finish with a wonderful antedote from desmond tutu and he fought to change south africa. i wish i could have the energy and laugh like desmond. he told me something beautiful. i asked him what should we learn from you? what should we learn within the spanish community based on the struggles in south africa? he said it doesn't matter what happens, just know at the end, you are going to win. that is wonderful. that is fantastic. the idea at the end you are absolutely convinced you are good -- going to win. each of the rebels i include in the book, but especially the dreamers, they were convinced at the end they were going to win. i think the idea behind the book i include in the last 30 years as a journalist i interviewed more than 30 people i include for the book. i tried to draw a lesson from each one. i think the most important lesson as a rebel i learned is from my mother. she is 82, still walking and very dangerously but still driving. what i learned from here is when she was growing up in mexico, and let me put it in perspective, we are five kids and i am the oldest. f