desperate unemployment situation in this country. >> david, the economy is not a zero sum game. r more important than the sexual makeup of the labor force are hinthings like the participation te, which right now is only 63%. >> thas awful. >> that's a recession level. upward mobility which is extremely difficult. real ges which are stagnant. all thkey indicators of the economy in terms of the labor forc are poor right now. that far more important than our 51% male and 52% female whatever. >> right. >> steve, we should just get away with which sex has more in employment. just focus on employment in general. >> that's right. this is not aboutequality or opportunity. the fact of the matter is, for middle cla families today, you need two incomes rather than one because of inflation, because of taxes, not just income taxes but payroll taxes, sales taxes have doubled in recent years. everywhere you go. two incomes have o the job of one incom that's the problem. that has to be corrected. >> in fact, morga most americans,ore now than 20 years ago, in fact, which is kind of interesting, object to this trend, the trend of women becoming more the breadwinners. is that a problem for you? >> no.