despitencock, quote, thenitive -- to encourage company to become smaller, you ,ave shown no sign of urgencyoid of decisive leadership. the former chairman of the company is now the chairman who joins us now on the phone from his home in florida. glad to have you on. you have a long history with aig, from the financial crisis. you had urged the board to split the company before. what do you make of i conn's statement today? he may have a point. i never actually urged the board to split the company. this is right after the crisis. we were trying to pay down the debt and restructure the company as best we could. at that point, i thought at some point, the company would be better off being split. synergy between the insurance business. built,e company was whether stated or unstated, his thesis was that he could use a to lower theng cost. i'm sure that still exists today . it is only been five years ago and it may well be that the .ompany might be better off --o not know about three, >> to the extent that carl icahn is asking for an urging -- >> on the surface, it does. things may have changed.