the destophic is in communing with the web site, those connect it and you can talk about leaving it in the end user's control no change, works front interit in principles. if you're on a third-generation phone your device is not physically capable of operating in the same way as the computer on your desk. in fact it depends on an old legacy phone technology regulate it nature different regime and a different set of rules that apply, and lumping them together is putting apples and oranges together and expecting them to taste the same. >> host: joining the conversation is gautham na going. >> guest: the sec is embroiled in rulemaking which touches on issues you mentioned and that records rules for how broadband providers should treat information. the rules have brought heat and debate from both sides, especially over the concept of net neutrality. what does net neutrality mean to you and mass it existed. >> guest: it's one of the -- one of these issues that almost defies definition. i keep think of the -- everyone has a different view. for some people, the original proposal included devi