brent: for more on this i'm joined at the big table by detlev ganten, a specialist in pharmacology.e is a regular editor at the journal of molecular medicine. mr. ganten, it is good to have you on the show. what do you make of this new method? we are talking about an effective cure in mice, but still not an effective cure in humans. detlev: that is right. it is in mice, it's not in men, but it is real progress. the main thing really is that with the present therapy that is effective, it is still not a cure because the virus is still in the body. this is a new method to really eliminate the virus from the body. brent: talk to me a little bit about this new method. what is new about this approach? how are we getting the virus out of the body? detlev: it is this wonder agent crispr, which i am sure many people have heard of, which is used for genome editing. but actually originally it was used by bacteria, and there it was discovered to eliminate viruses. bacteria, when viruses attack bacteria. this is now being used to eliminate the hiv virus from the body, which carry the infection.